Topic: Born abroad.

[Clive]

7.5% of the UK's population was born outside the UK and Ireland. This fascinating mini-site from the BBC shows where they all came from, and where they live now. Immigration has been a hot-button issue in UK politics for a while now. In Scotland, they want more immigrants. In England, at least on the right, they want far fewer. The conservative right hate Europe, and hate immigration. Perhaps we'd better not tell them that Germans are the third-largest immigrant group (India and Pakistan at 1 and 2), while the USA-icans languish in 5th.


LINK

If you click on "Around Britain" you can find statistics for your own town.  I was shocked to learn that the Germans are the largest immigrant group locally, followed by the Japanese.

[GillE]

Don't worry too much about the German immigrants - the vast majority are simply the progeny of British armed forces members who happened to be serving in Germany when their children were born.

Gill

[Sandra]

Its officially 10.9% in 2001 in Nelson which is the main town nearest to me. I wonder how much of an increase there has been in the last 4 years and how high the real figure would be if they included the illegal immigrants and asylum seekers which I wouldnt think would show up on the electoral register or the census figures.

I know that if I go into Nelson or Brierfield through the daytime there seems to be about 80% asian and driving through at night (not safe to walk through at that time ), then its more like 99% asian youths that are standing around in groups in the streets  :shock:

[chorleydave]

Chorley doesn't have a very large "born overseas" population at all.  Probably why (in spite of their efforts) the BNP has never made an impact here in the way it has within a twenty miles radius of Chorley.  Acording to the figures, in 2001 the town had 885 and the rural area 1462 - less than 2% of the population.  Indians appear to be the largest group followed by Germans (or those born in those places) which is probably one of the reasons I stay here in spite of how crap it is.  I like curry and there are plenty of places to go for one round here.

 :twisted:

[sam]

sandra where do u live that it is "not safe to walk through at that time" ....do u live in inner city birmingham? Sounds like u are scared of people hanging around in groups...did you not do this in your youth?

[Simon]

sandra where do u live that it is "not safe to walk through at that time" ....do u live in inner city birmingham? Sounds like u are scared of people hanging around in groups...did you not do this in your youth?

There was a difference back then, Sam.  When we were kids, sure we hung around in groups, but we weren't abusive, and intimidating to others, and at 14 years old, we weren't pi$$ed on alcopops or drugged up to the eyeballs, because our parents cared, knew how to discipline us, and were allowed to do so.  These days, there is no discipline, because everyone is frightened of litigation, and kids of today know it.  My biggest fear is that these yobs hanging round street corners in hoodies, will be the parents of the next generation, which can only be worse!

[sam]

umm possibly but surely its ur generation who are these kids parents? and you had the discipline.

I didnt really mean it like that. I agree it is intimidating but sandra seemed to be implying it was the asain youths who are the ones doing this alone. I live in Birmingham and I always get more hassle from the really thick "white" kids. It doesnt matter what race you are, if you are kicked out on the streets these days you will end up being drunk!  :roll:

[Sandra]

I have never seen any gangs of kids other than asians hanging around in the evenings round here Sam, I think if they did they would get into trouble from the asians.
I cant remember any asians being murdered around here in racist attacks but there was a white lad murdered by a group of asians a year or so back in a racist attack.
When someone is raped around here the victim usually says it was an asian.

As Simon says its different now to what it was like in the late 60s and early 70s.
People had respect for each other and the police.
In fact about 12 of us had gone to Blackpool one night and we were run out of town by the police just because some of the lads were playing with a football on the deserted prom at around 10-30pm  :shock:
They actually marched us back to our cars and gave us a police escort to the outskirts of Blackpool with orders not to return.
We were all around 16 to 20 years old at the time and were not causing any trouble or being overly noisy.
We didnt argue or fight with them or say it was against our human rights and the couple of black lads with us didnt say that the police were being racist against them.

Can you imagine that happening today, the police wouldnt dare to have even approached us, unless we were actually doing something illegal or disturbing the peace  :roll:

[Michelle]

With 580,000 people born abroad recorded in 2001, south-east England had the second highest number in the country and one of the fastest rates of change.

 :shock:

[sam]

umm sandra, sounds like you dont have many "white" youths around your area then. I think the major problem is the parents! Heck where I live lots of my friends used to act stupidly on the street whereas I was at home doing something constructive. This has to be related to the parents. I really dont think it is an issue of race though, just an issue of lack of care. Firstly by parents and secondly by the government.

As for your story. I think the police where in a sense harsh on you and I personally dont see a problem with moving people on if they arent doing anything illegal or causing hassle for people.

I dont know what the police are like around where you are but here they do act, they have to.

[Sandra]

The police around here seem to be very ineffective, unless its against motorists goung 10 mph over the limit  :roll:

We had a problem here for a couple of years caused by young white kids around 8 to 14 years old causing a nuisance. They were only minor nuisances like playing football and shouting and screaming, ringing doorbells and minor damage to cars and gardens but after 2 years of it enough is enough.
Despite me and about 4 other neighbours, one of whom was a policeman, complaining to the parents of the two "gang leaders" who just said that they had to play somewhere  :roll:
We then started ringing the police.
I was visited once after about 18 months of us all ringing 3 or 4 times a week.
Nothing was done until another neighbours daughter in law, who was a policewoman, went round to the parents of the main two little b*****ds and told them that they had had numerous complaints and pretended she was on official business. Shed have been sacked no doubt if her superiors had found out. Things have been much better since then

[Simon]

umm possibly but surely its ur generation who are these kids parents? and you had the discipline.

Well, I suppose you have me there, although I'm almost old enough to be some of these kid's grandparents, they have them so young these days!  

For every one or two 'yobs', there are probably 100 perfectly normal, well adjusted, well behaved kids, in good solid families, but you don't usually see them hanging around in hoodies, gobbing at passers-by.  It's the bad ones that society tends to judge the whole generation by, and I suppose I'm guilty of that myself.  What is very true, and very wrong, is that the current climate of fear of litigation, should you even talk to some of these kids, or the fact that one of them could pull a knife on you, should you attempt to challenge their behaviour.  The schools are also accountable in a huge way, but of course, they are also under the restrictions of political correctness, and child 'protection' laws, which more or less stifle any attempts at discipline.  Even the police have their hands tied, and as Sandra said, all they seem to be effective in these days, is persecuting motorists for minor offences.

[Michelle]

Even the teenagers are too scared to hang around on street corners around here!  

[Simon]

Even the teenagers are too scared to hang around on street corners around here!  

Why, because of the bolshy blondes?  :grin:

[Michelle]

There's not many Russians here Simon