awe crpa, thanx for your reply, but see this is the payne in the ass bit, i cant get to the internet on 98 yet because im having similar problems with the drivers for my modem, sooooooooo i cant look on the site because it is only giving me drivers for XP whitch is a bit of a payne, if this helps then last time i used the drivers they were from a cd labelled PC cillin, came free with a magazine, hope this helps you help me :'(