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Technical Help & Discussion => Windows PCs & Software: Help, News & Discussion => Topic started by: daveeb on April 28, 2004, 15:19
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The latest thing (of many) i don't understand in the wonderful world of pc's is if i can boot my pc with different operating systems installed on physically different drives. I currently have ME on my master drive. Would it be possible to install XP to my slave drive and selectively boot from either.
And if it is possible, how do i do it :P ::)
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Certainly Dave. I did that already on my PC since more than a year. And, it's not complicated at all to do it.
All what you have to do now is, to install the XP on the second drive (attentiion: It must be on the slave drive, not the master). That means that you can leave your ME as it is (on the master).
While you start the installation of XP, take the option which tells that you "want to choose the installation partion and drive by yourself" , (not default, and not automatical installation).
Later, everytime, it reboots by giving you automatically both options of what OS you want to boot. Then you can choose the one which you want. During about 30 seconds, If you don't select one of them to boot, it'll boot from the master drive, "Windows ME" (in your case) by default.
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Nice explanation Joudi, clear and concise :)
One thing to bear in mind Dave is that if you dual boot then you have to have all the programs that you want to use with both OSs installed, ie AV and firewall etc, on both OSs also if you want your ME os to access data on your XP os drive then you need to format the XP drive in FAT 32 not NTFS :)
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Thanks sandra and joudi thats great news. the slave is already formatted in fat32 (i think) and currently only holds video files. will there be a problem installing an os onto a disc that is currently 2/3 full (80 gigs out of 120).
i realise all the programs i use must be duplicated but its easier than wiping my ME drive then finding some things won't work with xp. ::)
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I think you had better use partition magic to create a new partition for it to install to Dave, otherwise it could mess up your existing files :(
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Sandra i assume i can partition it with data already on it ?? and assuming i can what would be a sensible size for it (enough for it to work properly with a bit to spare) :P
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Yes Partition Magic will create a partition without losing any data Dave.
If you have enought then something like 15 gig should be enough, I am just spliiting a 60 gig drive to use as the boot drive on my server and as I will have a 160 gig as a storage drive I am doing it at 25 gig for the boot drive but thats probably more than it needs if you manage your downloads properly.
XP has a nasty habit of wanting to store everything by default into C:\Documents and Settings\Your username and it can soon fill it up as well as having long paths to the data that you are looking for.
I try not to have anything but programs installed to C: and move everything else such as MSN Received Files and My Docs etc off to another drive or partition :)
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Thankee Sandra :-*
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I have a 30 and a 40GB drives, both have Cdrive partitions. And like Sandra I only have OS and Programs on the C: Partition, the rest of "My personaly imputed Data" [is imputed a real word ::)] is split between various partitions. My C:Partitions are 8.34GB in size with 4.14GB used, and I have a rake of progs on it. Like 521MB in MS XP Office Pro to name but one.
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Trying to follow this thread as I wanted to Partition my drive to put xp on, on Tony's advice.
I was worried for a while there that my hard drive was too full or to small its only 30GB and I only have 10GB's free. So I can still do it then and how much should I partition do you think?
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You havent a lot there Mchelle :(
Xp will install on a couple of gigs but I wouldnt put it on anything under about 8 gig preferably 10 or more.
Can you not free up some more of your drive and use the 10 gig as an XP drive ?
Partition Magic and programs like that need space to work in as well so you may have problems creating and resizing partitions.
If you can then try it at around the maximum you can get it at and dont forget to format it in FAT 32 when installing XP :)
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You have used 20Gig.......on what Shell!!!!!! mind you I reckon women fill their PC's like they fill their wardrobes. Full of stuff they never use, I reckon Lona's PC will be full of stuff she never use's either. ;D
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Thanks sandra, so the aim is to free up some space first then ;)
You have used 20Gig.......on what Shell!!!!!! mind you I reckon women fill their PC's like they fill their wardrobes. Full of stuff they never use, I reckon Lona's PC will be full of stuff she never use's either. ;D
:lol:
Well I've just gone through and uninstalled some of my sons games and I gained 1 gig so thats a start I have 11 free now, and its really only 27gb I had so its only 16gb's full ;)
I can't think what that is though, there's a few MP3's and alot of pics that could prob go on disc.
Or I could just buy a new hard drive ::) ;D
How much would that cost! :lol:
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A new hard drive as a slave with XP installed to it is the best way to dual boot Michelle if you can afford it.
They are ridiculously cheap now compared to what they were a few years back, especially for the larger capacity ones.
I bought a 160 gig 7,200 rpm Seagate Barracuda with 8mbs cache on tuesday for £69 :)
Actually I got it a bit cheaper than that as I bought some more stuff which totalled £89 and they knocked a tenner off for me and only charged me £79 :)
Ebuyer has some smaller drives on at around the £30 upwards mark :)
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A new hard drive as a slave with XP installed to it is the best way to dual boot Michelle if you can afford it.
They are ridiculously cheap now compared to what they were a few years back, especially for the larger capacity ones.
I bought a 160 gig 7,200 rpm Seagate Barracuda with 8mbs cache on tuesday for £69 :)
Actually I got it a bit cheaper than that as I bought some more stuff which totalled £89 and they knocked a tenner off for me and only charged me £79 :)
Ebuyer has some smaller drives on at around the £30 upwards mark :)
oooh I wanna do that, its not as expensive as I thought then!! I wonder how much the bloke in the computer shop would charge to do that for me.
oh now look what you've started! :lol:
When is payday??
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Michelle if you can add ram all by yourself then you can add a hard drive as well :)
Is your pc a tower or a desktop ?
Desktops can be a bit fiddly as there isnt much room but most towers are fairly easy to add hard drives and cd/dvd drives to :)
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd2JyYW5k&mfr_uid=186 (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd2JyYW5k&mfr_uid=186)
I have had the 60 gig one of these running in my server since about last November almost 24 hours per day without any problems so far.
As you can see you get a lot more drive for only a few pounds more :)
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I did sort of add some a hard drive to my old puter it was the hard drive from my even older puter that we put in so that I could still access my old files on the new puter, but my brother helped me. That was on a desktop. And there was no room for it so it had to sit on top of the casing! lol.
This one is a tower, there does seem like alot of room in there.
hmmmmm.
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Why do you need a massive hard drive, Michelle? Surely it would be considerably more economical to store data you don't often use, but is taking up hard drive space, on CDs? Just a thought.... ;)
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Shell,
My 8.5 GB OS / Programs Partition has only used up 4.14 GB and I have loads of programs on it
Adobe Acrobat Reader Version 5.0.5.0 *
Adobe Photoshop Elements Version 1.0.1 *
Adobe Systems, Inc. Adobe Gamma Loader Version 1, 0, 0, 1 *
Ahead Software AG Karlsbad Germany Phone: +49-7248-911-800 Fax: +49-7248-911-888 e-mail: info@nero.com - LANGUAGE_English2 Version 5, 5, 10, 25 *
Ahead Software AG - InfoTool Application Version 1, 0, 3, 3 *
Ahead Software AG - Nero CD Speed Application Version 1, 0, 2, 1 *
Ahead Software AG, Karlsbad, Germany - www.nero.com - NeroVision Version 1,0,4,6 *
ahead software gmbh, karlsbad - Cover Designer Version 2, 2, 1, 11 *
AHEAD Software incdsrv Version 4, 0, 5, 4 *
Alex van Kaam - Motherboard Monitor 5 Version 5.0 *
Alex van Kaam - Motherboard Monitor Version 5.0 *
Apple Computer, Inc. - QuickTime QuickTime 6.5 *
Auralis, Inc. Version 1.3.0.3826 *
Belarc, Inc. - BelManage Client Version 6.0c *
blindman.exe *
Cinematronics - 3D Pinball Version 5.00.2134.1 *
COClient Application Version 1.0.0.3895 *
Conexant AccessRunner ADSL Version 2.099.057.000 *
CyberLink Corp. - PowerDVD Version 4.0.1109 *
DivX Player *
E-Book Systems - FlipAlbum Version 5.0 *
E-Book Systems Pte Ltd - FlipAlbum CD Maker (Professional Version) Version 2.1 *
Eastman Software, Inc., A Kodak Business - Imaging for Windows® Version 5.00.2138.1 *
eCOSM - MailWasher Version 3.2 *
Erik Deppe - DriveSpeed Version 1, 6, 1, 0 *
Executive Software International, Inc. - Diskeeper (TM) Disk Defragmenter Version 7.0.410.1 *
Finn Ekberg Christiansen - EmpRunner Version 1.1 *
Finn Ekberg Christiansen - Empty Temp Folders Version 2.8.3 *
GlobalSCAPE Texas, LP. - CuteFTP Version 5.0.1.0 *
GlobalSCAPE, Inc. - CUTEHTML LE Version 2, 0, 5, 16 *
Hewlett-Packard - WebReg Application Version 1, 0, 0, 1 *
Hewlett-Packard Company - HP Memories Disc Creator Software *
Hewlett-Packard Company - S2WEx Version 2, 6, 0, 162 *
HPDirector Module Version 1, 0, 0, 1 *
Hpi_Prnt Application Version 1.1.0.121 *
HpqCmon Application Version 1.1.0.121 *
HpqPhUnl Application Version 1.1.0.121 *
Java Web Start *
javaw.exe *
Lavasoft Ad-aware Plus Version 6.0.0.0 *
Matrox Graphics Inc. MGABG Version 1.00.023 *
Microsoft Application Error Reporting Version 10.0.2609 *
Microsoft Clip Organizer Version 10.0.6308 *
Microsoft Corporation - Internet Explorer Version 6.00.2800.1106 *
Microsoft Corporation - Windows Installer - Unicode Version 2.0.2600.1183 *
Microsoft Corporation - Windows Journal Viewer Version 1.5.2315.3 *
Microsoft Corporation - Windows® NetMeeting® Version 3.01 *
Microsoft Development Environment Version 7.00.9064.9150 *
Microsoft Office Document Imaging Version 1.03.2349.1 *
Microsoft Office XP Version 10.0.6612 *
Microsoft Open Database Connectivity Version 3.520.6200.0 *
Microsoft Outlook Version 10.0.6626 *
Microsoft Photo Editor Version 10.0 *
Microsoft Windows Media Player Version 6.4.09.1125 *
Microsoft(R) Windows Media Player Version 9.00.00.2980 *
Microsoft® Schedule+ for Windows 95(TM) Version 7.5 *
Microsoft® Windows Media Services Version 4.1.00.3917 * MindVision - Installer VISE 2.8.3 Version 2.8.3 *
MindVision Software - Installer VISE Version 3.6.0 *
Mozilla Backup *
Mozilla Version 1.6: 2004011308 *
NewSoft Technology Corporation. - ImgView Application Version 1, 0, 0, 1 *
NewSoft Technology Corporation. - SMART PANEL Version 2, 0, 0, 1 *
OpenOffice.org - Drawing Version 6.00.8679 *
OpenOffice.org 1.1.0 *
PepiMK Software - SpyBot-S&D Version 1.2 *
PowerQuest Boot Disk Builder Version 5.01.0000 *
PowerQuest Corporation - Drive Image Version 1, 0, 0, 1 *
PowerQuest Corporation - DriveMapper 5.0 for Windows Version 5.0.0.0 *
PowerQuest Corporation - PartitionInfo for Windows NT Version 7.0.0.0 *
PowerQuest Corporation - PartitionMagic 7.0 Version 2001.0.0.283 *
PowerQuest ImageExplorer Version 5.01.0000 *
PQBoot *
RealNetworks, Inc. - RealOne Player (32-bit) Version 6.0.11.868 *
RealNetworks, Inc. - RealOne Player (32-bit) Version 7.0.0.1177 *
Realtek Semiconductor Corp. - RtlRack Application Version 1.9.0.0 *
Realtek Sound Manager Version 5.1.0.24 *
RocketTime Application Version 1.2 *
SEIKO EPSON CORP. - EPSON Photo Print Version 1.5 *
SEIKO EPSON CORPORATION - EPSON Bidirectional Printer Version 1, 0, 0, 0 *
SEIKO EPSON CORPORATION - EPSON PhotoQuicker Version 3.22 *
SEIKO EPSON CORPORATION - EPSON Printer Driver Update Utility Version 5.00 *
SEIKO EPSON CORPORATION - EPSON Scan to Web Version 1, 1, 0 *
SEIKO EPSON Corporation - EPSON Setting Utility for Monitoring Printer Version 1.10.00 *
SpywareBlaster AutoUpdate Version 3.01 *
SpywareBlaster Version 3.01 *
Stop StartupMonitor *
Symantec Corporation - Common Client Version 1.0.10.006 *
Symantec Corporation - Event Manager Version 1.03.4 *
Symantec Corporation - LiveUpdate Version 1.80.19.0 *
Symantec Corporation - Norton AntiVirus Version 9.05.1015 *
Symantec Corporation - Norton CleanSweep Fast & Safe Cleanup Version 7.0 *
Symantec Corporation - Norton CleanSweep Version 7.0 *
Symantec Corporation - Norton Speed Disk Version 7.00.0.24 *
Symantec Corporation - Norton SystemWorks Version 2003.6.49 *
Symantec Corporation - Norton Utilities for Windows Version 16.00.0.22 *
Symantec Corporation - Norton Utilities Version 16.00.0.22 *
Symantec Corporation - Wipe Info Version 16.00.0.22 *
Symantec Integrator Version 6.00.17 *
Symantec ScriptBlocking Version 1, 1, 0, 126 *
Symantec Shared Components Version 2.0 *
System Diagnostic *
The Webshots Corporation Swebexec Version 1.3.0.3826 *
Townsend Analytics Ltd. - TAL Trading Tools Version 1,0,0,0 *
UpdateIPR.exe *
UpdateMonitor Application Version 1, 0, 0, 3 *
VF Editor is a tool that will allow you to easily edit your Virtual Floppy files. Version 5.00.5000 *
Virtos GmbH - WaveEdit DLL Version 1, 0, 5, 0 *
WinRAR *
WinZip Version 8.1 (4331) *
Zone Labs Inc. - Internet Access Monitor Version 3.7.202 *
Zone Labs Inc. - TrueVector Service Version 3.7.202 *
ZoneAlarm Version 3.7.202 *
My 3GB Data partition only has 0.190GB used
My Media partition which has two feature length films on and hundereds of photo's, plus a load of Elvis and Queen music on takes up 2.75 GB
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Okay so what you are saying is, have a bit of a clear out, stick some stuff on discs and I'll have enough room then.
Blimey that is alot of stuff there Tony, goodness knows what I have on mine! :lol:
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Okay so what you are saying is, have a bit of a clear out, stick some stuff on discs and I'll have enough room then.
:lol: Shell, WHY cant people make it simple ::) a woman after my own heart the word "thingy" comes in quite handy ;)
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Tony..whats that 7 lines down ;D
RocketTime Application Version 1.2 *
SEIKO EPSON CORP. - EPSON Photo Print Version 1.5 *
SEIKO EPSON CORPORATION - EPSON Bidirectional Printer Version 1, 0, 0, 0 *
SEIKO EPSON CORPORATION - EPSON PhotoQuicker Version 3.22 *
SEIKO EPSON CORPORATION - EPSON Printer Driver Update Utility Version 5.00 *
SEIKO EPSON CORPORATION - EPSON Scan to Web Version 1, 1, 0 *
SEIKO EPSON Corporation - EPSON Setting Utility for Monitoring Printer Version 1.10.00 *
Spankers Weekly Ver 2.00
SpywareBlaster AutoUpdate Version 3.01 *
SpywareBlaster Version 3.01 *
Stop StartupMonitor *
Symantec Corporation - Common Client Version 1.0.10.006 *
Symantec Corporation - Event Manager Version 1.03.4 *
Symantec Corporation - LiveUpdate Version 1.80.19.0 *
Symantec Corporation - Norton AntiVirus Version 9.05.1015 *
Symantec Corporation - Norton CleanSweep Fast & Safe Cleanup Version 7.0 *
Symantec Corporation - Norton CleanSweep Version 7.0 *
Symantec Corporation - Norton Speed Disk Version 7.00.0.24 *
Symantec Corporation - Norton SystemWorks Version 2003.6.49 *
Symantec Corporation - Norton Utilities for Windows Version 16.00.0.22 *
Symantec Corporation - Norton Utilities Version 16.00.0.22 *
Symantec Corporation - Wipe Info Version 16.00.0.22 *
Symantec Integrator Version 6.00.17 *
Symantec ScriptBlocking Version 1, 1, 0, 126 *
Symantec Shared Components Version 2.0 *
System Diagnostic *
The Webshots Corporation Swebexec Version 1.3.0.3826 *
Townsend Analytics Ltd. - TAL Trading Tools Version 1,0,0,0 *
UpdateIPR.exe *
UpdateMonitor Application Version 1, 0, 0, 3 *
VF Editor is a tool that will allow you to easily edit your Virtual Floppy files. Version 5.00.5000 *
Virtos GmbH - WaveEdit DLL Version 1, 0, 5, 0 *
WinRAR *
WinZip Version 8.1 (4331) *
Zone Labs Inc. - Internet Access Monitor Version 3.7.202 *
Zone Labs Inc. - TrueVector Service Version 3.7.202 *
ZoneAlarm Version 3.7.202 *
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Tony..whats that 7 lines down ;D
SEIKO EPSON Corporation - EPSON Setting Utility for Monitoring Printer Version 1.10.00 *
;) :doh:
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Hookie can't count! ;D
Thats just some thingy Tony's picked up! 8)
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Ok 8 then..I got excited when I saw it ;D
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Spankers Weekly Ver 2.00
Cheers Hooky for pointing it out, you know I thought, buttocks I've deleted the bloody thing by mistake. I was that mad, I nearly took a belt to myself ;D ::)
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Anyway back on track ::)
Can I delete the files in C:Windows/TEMP
There's loads of rubbish in there by the looks of it?
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Shell if you go to Start-Programs-Accessories-System Tools-Disk Cleanup it should do that for you automatically if the boxes are ticked.
DB
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Anyway back on track ::)
Can I delete the files in C:Windows/TEMP
There's loads of rubbish in there by the looks of it?
Shell go to my PC security page http://www.sugrue.ndo.co.uk/security.html (http://www.sugrue.ndo.co.uk/security.html) scroll down to see the link and description for Empty Temp, there is a link to the download site. You can set it up to clean up loads of crap and unwanted files by using a predifined list. Just look under option , and select "predifined folders" Also under Program options you can set it to clear all cookies , history,urls and the contents of the recycle. Thats how I have it set up.
If you put a shortcut icon on your desktop,and with just a couple of clicks of your mouse every night before closing it down, you will remove all the above from you PC.
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Spankers Weekly Ver 2.00
lol :D
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Thanks tony I'll give that a go,
DB I've done that one thanks.
I can clear out temporary internet files and cache and stuff but this one C:Windows/temp isn't like that is it. What is all that stuff in there for?