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Technical Help & Discussion => Self Building, Upgrading & General Hardware Help => Topic started by: TR on September 13, 2004, 10:45
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Now putting the finishing touches to the new PC and the last piece in the Jigsaw is a DVD RW, have anybody heard any good or bad reports on an MSI DVD.
This ONE (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=301465&cks=PRL)
The reason I want to go down this road? is that it has a silver bezel to match up with the case. I already have matching DVD Rom (Aopen) and a 52x CD RW (Aopen)
I can't find anyone that does an aopen 8x or 12x dvd/-RW
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Nobody nothing to say good or bad on MSI Products :-\
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I'd probably go with the LG (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=62937) that Dack recommended in a previous thread 8)
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Looking to see if it has Silver Bezels ;)
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I have a MSI DVD+/-R/RW. Although it's not the same model as the one you're looking at, it performs to my complete satisfaction.
Gill
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Gill thank you for the reply..just need a few more peoples vote before I purchase this unit ;)
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MSI seem to make reasonable motherboards and other pc components, I have recently bought a MSI PCMCIA Wi Fi cardbus which seems to work fine, so if the colour of the bezel is more important than the best functionality to you then go for it.
Otherwise, as Cammy says, the LG is probably the one that I would choose :)
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The LG one is light cream with a silver flash at the bottom (put one in the Ideq I built) and reads a DVD in about 7 minutes :) Writing at all speeds has been flawless.
If the colour worries you then you could always remove the fascia and spray paint it to match the case (standard car paint is pretty good from what I hear).
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Still undecided, thanks for the input Dack...as for the spray job, I have tried one doing that (used a primer and silver paint) not a bad job but?? not 100% perfect..bit like hanging wallpaper with 1 bubble and you notice it for years afterwards LOL. and being the perfectionist I am, will regret it if I do :-\
So I might go for this One (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=1805568292&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=73171) it has duel bezels as well ;)
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Gone for this ONE (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?NOV-DVDR12) its a rebadged liteon (SOHW-1213S) under Novatechs brand.
Liteone specs:
SOHW-1213S
12x 4x / 8x 4x + 48x 24x 48x Half-Height DVD-Dual
ATAPI / E-IDE Half-Height internal DVD+R / DVD+RW / DVD-R / DVD-RW / DVD-ROM / CD-R / CD-RW / CD-ROM combination drive
SMART-BURN avoiding Buffer UnderRun Error, Automatically adjusting writing strategy & running OPC to provide the best burning quality
SMART-X function adjusts CD-DA / VCD / DVD data extraction to a fastest allowable speed according to both data request rate from host and disk quality
VAS® system reduce vibration and noise during recording and reading
Support Fixed Packet, Variable Packet, TAO, SAO, DAO, Raw Mode Burning & Over-Burn
DVD read compliant : DVD single / dual layer ( PTP / OTP ), DVD-R ( 3.9 GB / 4.7 GB ), DVD-R multi-borders, DVD+R, DVD+R multi-sessions, DVD-RW, and DVD+RW
CD read compliant : CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-ROM / XA, Photo-CD, Multi-session, Karaoke-CD, Video-CD, CD-I FMV, CD Extra, CD Plus, CD-R, and CD-RW
Support both 8 cm and 12 cm disc of CD and DVD family
Conform to Orange Book : Part 2 CD-R Volume 1, Part 2 CD-R Volume 2 Multi Speed, Part 3 CD-RW Volume 1 ( 1x, 2x, and 4x ), Part 3 CD-RW Volume 2 : High Speed, Part 3 CD-RW Volume 3 : Ultra Speed
Supported transfer mode : PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2 and Ultra DMA mode 2
Full page report here>> http://www.liteon.com/prod/getProduct.do?cid=1_7_6&xml_id=4_2&menu_id=4_2_7
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What I will say is I've had nothing but trouble with the Liteon DVD writer in work. It just doesn't seem to like most of the media we try and use (e.g. only one out of 5 discs we burned with it yesterday verified).
They haven't updated the firmware on it yet though - so it is only extracting data at 4x speed too.
Early Sony writers were as bad and reading this:
http://forum.rpc1.org/viewtopic.php?t=29435
means you may also want to reconsider :)
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That forum has over 59,000 members!!
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As will we one day Clive ;D ;D ;D
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But not in my lifetime. ;D
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Arrived today and just fitted the new LG 12x DVD burner ;D "Smoking " it really is quiet and fast..so smooth ;)
Cheers Dack and everybody else who inputed 8)
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=62937
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Just to add.. this LG DvD RW is the dogs danglies brilliant piece of gear ;)
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The only thing putting me off is the slow 9G burn and it wont write 99min cds, which means keeping a good CD writer as well for the time being.
Alos I cant really justify spending the cash on one at the moment.
Otherwise it looks excellent :)
Maybe in a few months they will have speeded the 9G writing up and made it overburn CDs and still be around the price they are today or even less :)
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I still have my CD burner as a seperate unit (aopen 52x32x52x)
By pressing the eject button for 5secs it ups the R spped to super speed 8)
PCstats is testing out the a 52x CD, 32x CD-RW, 52x CD-R burner made by AOpen, the "CRW5232/ARR". Maximum CD-R write speeds have hit their limit at the 52x burn speed, and this standard has been around for well over a year now. That shouldn't be much of a surprise though, after all, a 52x burner can fill a regular 650MB disc with information in just over 83 seconds, and a 700MB disc in just under 90 seconds!
Of course there's more to the AOpen 52x32x52x CD-RW than speedy burning; one innovative thing AOpen has done is include three coloured face plates with the drive! Those of you with aluminum or fancy black cases will like the option of choosing a matching silver or black face plates for your PC. And hey, if you're using a regular white box PC, the beige faceplate works just fine too.
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Just to add.. this LG DvD RW is the dogs danglies brilliant piece of gear ;)
Totally agree - just update the firmware to the latest version (if you haven't already) - it then supports the Ritek G05 dye at 8x properly. Link on www.rpc1.org (http://www.rpc1.org) - I used the dangerous brothers A111 version with the windows flasher.
As to keeping a CD-Writer - due to the price of blanks these days it's pretty much pointless burning to a CD-R when a DVD-R is about 24p for an 8 speed (printable) - honestly now...when was the last time you managed to find a 99 minutes CD-R nevermind burn one without errors ;)
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honestly now...when was the last time you managed to find a 99 minutes CD-R nevermind burn one without errors ;)
I did one yesterday afternoon, I havent done many but I havent had an error with one yet and they are handy at times :)
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Just to add.. this LG DvD RW is the dogs danglies brilliant piece of gear ;)
Totally agree - just update the firmware to the latest version (if you haven't already) - it then supports the Ritek G05 dye at 8x properly. Link on www.rpc1.org (http://www.rpc1.org) - I used the dangerous brothers A111 version with the windows flasher.
As to keeping a CD-Writer - due to the price of blanks these days it's pretty much pointless burning to a CD-R when a DVD-R is about 24p for an 8 speed (printable) - honestly now...when was the last time you managed to find a 99 minutes CD-R nevermind burn one without errors ;)
Not confident on updating firmware? is it easy and foolproof?
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Looks like I ferked up on the firmware ??? just tried to burn 2 disks and no go? got to the end of the burn and it said failed to burn >:(.. expensive mistake by the looks of it :-\
these are the 2 files in Question? any advice wouldnt go a miss?
(https://www.pc-pals.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hookstar.v21hosting.co.uk%2Ffirm.jpg&hash=f28f2a50daecdae15c175d71723331bda2f3edcd)
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Yep - you just need to run one of the files. I used the a111 Auto version.
Just make sure all other applications are shut down before trying to do the update. It should detect the drive and then say which firmware you already have installed and which one you are going to upgrade to.
You do need to reboot the machine after the flashing though and also will probably need to reboot after windows re-detects the drive on the reboot.
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I did both of them?? does that matter. Also there was no other unit working when I flashed ;D so to speak, and it didn't say anything about what version or which one to upgrade or ask me to shut down...weird??
I have managed to do a disk at 4X but not 8X WTF..the disks (Bulkpaq 8x speed) worked before the flash and not after :( and the 4X are mirror platiman.
Can I over flash the units again with A111AUTO ??
Cheers for the help.
Edit: just found this in device manager under the said drive? did it flash?
IDE\CDROMHL-DT-ST_DVDRAM_GSA-4120B_______________A111____\314B34443736334D323620372020202020202020
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This is the report that comes half way through burning a disk.. :-\
1A20-0218-0370-1725-8155-4331*
Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: -
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.68, size=160016 bytes, created 22/07/2004 17:33:44
Nero API version: 6.3.1.25
Using interface version: 6.3.1.4
Installed in: C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\
Application: ahead\Nero - Burning Rom
Recorder: <HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4120B>Version: A111 - HA 1 TA 1 - 6.3.1.25
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1
Drive buffer : 2048kB
Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral : Maxtor 6Y080L0 atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : AOPEN CD-RW CRW5232 atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : AOPEN DVD1648/AAP atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4120B atapi Port 1 ID 1 DMA: On
=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
AOPEN CD-RW CRW5232 F: CDRom0
AOPEN DVD1648/AAP D: CDRom1
HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4120 E: CDRom2
=======================
AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 74448896 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 511MB (523808kB)
Free physical memory: 240MB (246492kB)
Memory in use : 52 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)
4.10.2004
NeroAPI
17:41:17 #1 Phase 112 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
DVD-Video files reallocation started
17:41:17 #2 Phase 114 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)
17:41:17 #3 Phase 111 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
DVD-Video files sorted
17:41:17 #4 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 126
Reader running
17:41:17 #5 Text 0 File AudioCompilationImpl.cpp, Line 817
DRM: StartDrmRecording(RealRec:1, ImageRec:0, Copies:1)
DRM: Beginning burn process.
17:41:17 #6 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 124
Writer HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4120B running
17:41:17 #7 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3899
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
17:41:17 #8 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3899
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
17:41:17 #9 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3152
Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media
17:41:17 #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 247
Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
Last address to be written: 2286111 (508:01.36, 4465MB)
17:41:17 #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 259
Write in overburning mode: NO
17:41:17 #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2162
Recorder: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4120B, Media type: DVD-R
Disc Manufacturer: TYG02 -
Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193
17:41:17 #13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 420
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
=========================================
17:41:17 #14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 813
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (CTransferItem)
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 2286112 (2286112) = #2286112/508:1.37
relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2286112 blocks [HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4120B]
--------------------------------------------------------------
17:41:17 #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 984
Prepare recorder [HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4120B] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4681957376, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
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__Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_RecDep_|_CtrlAdr_
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
2286112 | lead-out | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
17:41:17 #16 Phase 24 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
Caching of files started
17:41:17 #17 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4163
Cache writing successful.
17:41:17 #18 Phase 25 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
Caching of files completed
17:41:17 #19 Phase 36 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
Burn process started at 8x (11,080 KB/s)
17:41:18 #20 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2344
Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
17:41:18 #21 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2000
Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode
17:41:18 #22 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 20660
Set BUFE: supported -> ON
17:41:18 #23 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2141
Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes
17:41:18 #24 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 8230
---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 26127F h
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 2FE10 h
Start sector number of the next Border-In: 2FFA0 h
Media Specific [16..63]:
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00 02 FE 10 00 02 FF A0 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
17:41:18 #25 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 4615
Drive: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4120B
Book Type request: DVD-ROM
Book Type setting not supported for the loaded disc type
17:41:39 #26 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1297
17:41:39.578 - HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4120B\H1 T1 : Queue again later
17:44:47 #27 SCSI -1039 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1445
SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 1, LUN 0, buffer 0x00CD0000
Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key: 0x04 (KEY_HARDWARE_ERROR)
Sense Code: 0x09
Sense Qual: 0x01
CDB Data: 0x2A 0x00 0x00 0x0D 0x15 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0x71 0x00 0x04 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x10
0x32 0x34 0x00 0x0C 0x09 0x01
17:44:47 #28 CDR -1039 File Writer.cpp, Line 304
Focus or tracking error
17:44:47 #29 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
all writers idle, stopping conversion
17:44:47 #30 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 223
conversion idle, stopping reader
17:44:47 #31 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2383
EndDAO: Last written address was 857343
17:44:48 #32 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 4615
Drive: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4120B
Book Type request: DVD+R
Book Type setting not supported for the loaded disc type
17:44:48 #33 Phase 38 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
Burn process failed at 8x (11,080 KB/s)
17:44:48 #34 Text 0 File AudioCompilationImpl.cpp, Line 828
DRM: DRM burn session terminated.
17:44:48 #35 Text 0 File AudioCompilationImpl.cpp, Line 857
DRM: Closing entire DRM handling. Bye.
Existing drivers:
Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)
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Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling your burning program/s and maybe removing your writer from device manager and let it pick it up again after it reboots ???
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I reckon the firmware stuffed it up Sandra ??? dont know..I'm trying 4X as I type to see if that makes any difference?
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Ok.. 4X ok, must be the 8X disks it doesnt like it was ok before the Firmware update..or was it coincedence :-\
Have anylized the last 4 burns data and a common theme is?
17:41:18 #25 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 4615
Drive: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4120B
Book Type request: DVD-ROM
Book Type setting not supported for the loaded disc type
Whats the Book type? is it an Nero problem? Is it a disc problem? :-[
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Whats the Book type? is it an Nero problem? Is it a disc problem?
http://club.cdfreaks.com/lite/t-88449.html
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Thanks Joudi ;) been there mate..but it doesn't let me change any options anywhere?
Still weird..how I was able to burn 8X before firmware and not afterwards :-\
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Just been doing some Googling..looks like a few people have been having the same problems with A111 firmware.
Is it possible to flash back?
multit
I had problems with A111 too. Focus error after 95% completing a dvd+r :(
I'm using the newest version of nero 6.x.25 !
I just downgraded to A110, which is working perfect for me.
Hi there...
Just found my way to this forum and it seems that here are a couple
of nice peoples. :)
Since 5 days or so i have a LG 4120b. It worked fine, I burned a couple
of DVDs (UDF) and a DVD Video wirh DVD Shrink. Today i thought it would
be clever to upgrade the existing firmware to the new A111.
And as it seems I was wrong. :(
Now when i try to burn a Video DVD I always get the error message
"focus or tracking error". But i still can burn ISO DVD, UDF DVD (tried with
a file ~3,5GB) and CD's, but.... no more Video DVD.
So is there any chance to downgrade the firmware again? Any links
where i can download the old (working) firmware?
What you reckon Dack..any advice would be appreciated ;)
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You should be able to Hookie providing you can find the original firmware.
You may find it on somewhere like www.driverguide.com :)
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How will I know its the right one? didnt know which it was in the 1st place :( grrrr p**sed off now
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Usually newer firmware has a higher number than the older ones and sometimes also a date Hookie :)
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Hook, if you go back to where you got the A111 version from (here (http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=1841)), it does list downloads for previous versions, A101, A102, A104, A110. Is that any use to you? :-\
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Thanks Simon..still don't know which one was the original one? might just bite the bullet and buy another new one and just use this one as an DVD player..expensive lesson huh :-\
Never mind..that will teach me ;D to play..might not overclock now ..knowing my luck it will work LOL
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Hang on, I don't know if this will work, but how about starting with the oldest firmware, and work your way up?
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Might reck it Simon ;D at least its working slowely 8) might leave well alone ???
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The only other thing I can suggest is to e-mail LG support, and see if they can tell by the serial number, which firmware version it shipped with, and whether you can roll back without killing the drive.
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Ok Iv'e bit the bullet ;D
Just tried LGs own A111..that didn't work, now trying A104, not many left now 8)
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Nope.. non of that lot worked either :-[
Might try a better grade disk to see what happens :-\
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Hookster, You've put me off buying a DVD writer. :o
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Nooo Lona, dont worry its only me being a tinkerer with PCs, if left alone they work well ;)
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It certainly might be an idea to try different discs, Hook. My Sony DVD Writer didn't like Datawrite discs at all, but I've since been using these (http://www.cd-rmedia.co.uk/cgi-bin2/details.pl?id=zeroxtre4x), with no trouble at all. They also come in DVD-RW.
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Just burnt my 1st disk on Firmware A104 firmware..looks like I'm back to where I was 1st at?
;D now what can I bugger up 8)
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You've only had the thing 5 minutes!! ;D ;D
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Keeps the post counts going doesn't it ;)
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Sorry for not replying sooner - been out of the country for the last week and the hotel didn't have internet access.
As you have discovered by now you can reflash with a lower version firmware and it should revert to it's original state.
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Thanks for the reply Dack ;)
Every thing seems ok? I'm running on Ver A104 firmware at the moment, the only thing I want to know what was the original firmware.
I can now burn with 8X bulkpaq discs, purchased some Ritek 8X
{DV 3155} Ritek Inkjet @£7.22 Printable A Grade (8x) DVD-R
but will only burn @ 4X?
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Firmware was 1.02 in mine IIRC