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G. Edward Griffin marshals the evidence that cancer is a deficiency disease - like scurvy or pellagra - aggravated by the lack of an ... all » essential food compound in modern man's diet. That substance is vitamin B17. In its purified form developed for cancer therapy, it is known as Laetrile.
Very interesting 55 minute long video.
LINK (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4312930190281243507&q=a+world+without)
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Thanks for that info Clive I must admit I didn't watch all of the film but I went to the website and there are some very interesting articles on the net about B17.
Strangest thing is that certain cultures including Eskimo's don't get cancer.....not sure how correct that is but it is mentioned on a few websites. They aparently eat alot of red berrys which contain B17.
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I eat raspberries 3 or 4 times a week but I can't say I'm keen on apricots. Apricot stones are too big to eat but I suppose they can be crushed.
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One site says. prevention..
Eat 10 South African size apricot kernels per day depending on size of kernel. (Maximum five kernels at one time - do not swallow whole - they can be chewed along with other nuts in muesli, or they can be ground using a nut mill or general purpose grinder and sprinkled on cereal or in fruit juice, etc.) If using small kernels, the equivalent measurement is approximately 7gms, with only 3.5gms eaten at one time.
a day!
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One site says. prevention..
Eat 10 South African size apricot kernels per day depending on size of kernel.
You probably wont die from cancer but you would be to full to eat enough meat to get your daily requirement of essential vitamins and proteins and die from that instead :)
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I've just seen the whole video - thanks for the link, Clive.
It would be interesting to know the age of the film because I fancy that conventional medicine has seen many developments since it was made. Despite the lack of support from the established scientific community, I found its arguments very powerful and well reasoned. I shall certainly be changing my diet to include more B17 rich foodstuffs.
Gill
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It would be useful to know exactly which foodstuffs contain B17. I'm eating so many "healthy foods" now that I may as well get my paycheque sent direct to Tesco's. ::)
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Does this link (http://home.bluegrass.net/~jclark/b17_foods.htm) help? The beansprouts we buy in supermarkets come from mung beans, don't they? Get 'em into your stir-fry :) !
Gill
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Not much hope for me then guys :(
Surely a nice rare piece of fillet steak has everything in it that you need doesnt it, after all a cow has eaten all the so called good for you stuff already and left whatever goodness there was for us humans in its flesh.
So in a way a cow is just a food factory that processes food in order to make it taste better once the cows have absorbed and digested the crap tasting raw materials :)
According to that list I assume that cancer never affects any bird, apart from the possibilty of some of the birds of prey that arent big seed eaters.
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If you'd watched the film, Sandra, you'd realise there's a lot of truth in your argument - so far as it goes :P ! Eskimos get a lot of their B-17 from Caribou which naturally feed on B-17 rich plants. So if you can find a steak from an Angus cow that's been fed on B-17 rich grasses, you might be onto a winner. Unfortunately, most commercially farmed cattle are fed 'scientifically balanced' diets in which the B-17 is lost.
One of the main arguments in favour of adding b-17 to the diet is that all mammals, especially primates, naturally seek out plants that are rich in B-17 even if they contain no other nutritional benefits. It could explain why wild animals never die naturally of cancer.
Gill
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Thanks for that Gill.
I will ask my butcher to get the farmers to ram more B17 down the cows throats before they slaughter them for me :)
How about pigs blood in my favourite Lancastrian black puddings, are they fed lots of B17 too, as they sure taste good :)
Only thing I knew about B17 before was that it was bigger and looked mpre impressive but it couldnt carry as big a bomb load as far, as high or as fast as the good old wooden wonder, or as it was officially known the De Havilland Mosquito ;)
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Thanks for the list Gill. I can certainly see the picture! Most of the items are unpalletable but I suppose my raspberries may prove useful. I eat a reasonable amount of sweet potato and water cress each week too. Obviously it doesn't hurt to swallow the odd pear pip. Interestingly, when I was a child it was quite common to see people eating apple stumps, seeds and all. Maybe we are no longer in tune with nature.
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Arent there any Caribou in Wales then Clive ;)
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No because my brother-in-law has probably shot them all!
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mmmm........
I think I'll just add B17 to the list of vitamin tablets I try to remember to take. It might not help but I don't think it can hurt ;D
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you can read forever about this on the net.......
http://www.food.gov.uk/news/pressreleases/2006/apr/apricot
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We buy a lot of stuff at Julian Graves. It's a shame they withdrew the product instead of simply re-labelling it!
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Stick to the rare steak, guys, its much tastier and safer for you.
I have never heard of anyone coming to any harm from overeating steak but I have heard of people having problems from eating too many carrots and also from taking too many vitamin pills ::)
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Nobody is suggesting you should avoid any particular sort of food, Sandra. Personally, I subscribe to the notion that a wide-ranging diet is probably the healthiest of all and I enjoy a steak too, now and then. It's just that we don't have enough B-17 rich foods in our diet and if we did, cancer would be far less common.
I went shopping for B-17 rich foods yesterday and they're surprisingly difficult to find. I did buy some millet grain and instead of cooking it as directed on the packet, I mixed it in with some cooked rice alongside a beansprout and quorn stir-fry. You'd have loved it Sandra :ack: ;D ! Actually, it gave the rice a lovely crunchy texture and it's something I'm going to use again, often.
Gill
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I've just discovered another valuable source of B17 in my diet. Warburton's seeded batch bread contains millet seed which is rated "medium" for B17 content. For lunch I eat a cheese and salad sandwich consisting of two large slices of seeded batch, thinly sliced extra strong cheddar, tomato, mixed lettuce leaves and watercress. I've now increased my raspberry intake for breakfast and have roasted sweet potato 3 or for times a week with my evening meal.
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I went to the health food shop and I could find nothing I wanted, not even tablets!
Millet is really good for you actually, I read this earlier.
http://chetday.com/millet.html
I didn't know it was in roti and chapati.........time to go for a curry ;D
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The assistant in my local Holland & Barratt had to go to a book on vitamins to see if there was a reason why they didn't stock vitamin B-17. To my amazement, it actually said B-17 is carcinogenic! Yet everywhere I look on the internet I see good reports of B-17; I'm starting to believe the conspiracy theorists.
After all, so many people are employed in cancer treatment that it would cause economic upheaval if a cure or (even worse) a method of prevention was found. The government wouldn't like that. Moreover, who tells us what's safe to eat? Pharmacists. Who sells us drugs to treat cancer? Pharmacists.
Gill
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Thanks for the millet information Michelle. I think I am in agreement with you Gill. Successful drugs are huge money-spinners and it's in the interest of the companies that produce them that we have to use them. You definitely have to go out of your way to get a daily dose of B17 but I'm going to make certain that I try and get my share! :D
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I didn't know it was in roti and chapati.........time to go for a curry ;D
Sounds good to me Michelle :)
I think that a good hot curry is about the only way to make most vegetables palatable, unless you get cows, pigs and sheep to eat them first and convert them to meat :)
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Don't you eat any vegetables at all, Sandra?
Gill
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I've just discovered another valuable source of B17 in my diet. Warburton's seeded batch bread contains millet seed which is rated "medium" for B17 content. For lunch I eat a cheese and salad sandwich consisting of two large slices of seeded batch, thinly sliced extra strong cheddar, tomato, mixed lettuce leaves and watercress. I've now increased my raspberry intake for breakfast and have roasted sweet potato 3 or for times a week with my evening meal.
Your continued quest for immortality is admirable, Clive. At this rate, you'll outlive us all! :horror: ;D
On the subject of vegetables, I love them, provided they are cooked properly - preferably hardly at all. There's nothing worse than soggy sprouts, or any overcooked veg. Nice and crunchy for me! Favourites are cauliflower, carrots, and most green veg, but I'm not keen on spinach or parsnips. :ack:
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When you get to my age Simon you need all the help you can get to survive the night! :lol: I can't stand soggy veg either. Mine are always steamed to keep them nice and crunchy. But I can't stand sprouts! Broccoli is my favourite.
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I'm another one for the crispy veg :) . It's best either lightly steamed or stir-fried, especially cabbage. There's only one vegetable I won't touch - broad beans :ack: .
Gill
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Oh I love broad beans. Frozen ones are a very convenient standby if you run short of other veg. It's only sprouts and cauliflower that I wont eat. But why do I enjoy cauliflower cheese??? :dunno:
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Don't you eat any vegetables at all, Sandra?
I try not to eat too many Gill :)
There are no vegetables that I can say I really enjoy and which I would miss if I never ate another one.
I dont like the taste of most of them.
I eat potatoes, tomatoes, parsnips, carrots and peas occassionally but I prefer mushy peas to all other types, not the tinned ones, proper ones made by soaking overnight.
I quite like corn on the cob but not loose corn.
I like asparagus, avacado, chillies, peppers, garlic, mushrooms and depending how its cooked and what with butternut squash.
If I could afford it I would happily fill my plate up with meat and have some nice bread for most of my meals, unfortunately I am a bit fussy about the meat I eat as I dont like cheap fatty cuts of meat.
I could live off bread, meat, eggs and cheese quite happily.
In fact a few years ago I went on the Atkins diet for about 10 weeks and quite enjoyed it as most days I was having cheese omelettes for brunch and in the evening I was having fried fillet steak with a nice creamy red wine sauce, avacado and a big wedge of stilton cheese.
Some nights I would have chicken in place of the steak or maybe a rump steak.
I lost weight, felt great and was never hungry.
The one thing I missed was milk as thats restricted on the Atkins diet, due to the carbohydrates. I like a lot of milk in tea and a lot of cups of tea through the day and I also like drinking milk.
I could live like that quite easily if the meat and stilton didnt cost so much and I didnt have to give up my milk :(
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I think most vegetables are a lot tastier raw and not to mention better for you. Over cooked vegetables are awful, especially cauliflower and sprouts,.....well beans to. Actually cauliflower and broccoli cut up into floweretts and dipped into a nice dip or mayonnaise is wonderful, also beans, celery, carrots are all much nicer raw.
I live on pumpkin and sweet potato soup, and I make a mean spinach quiche.
I also juice fruit and vegetables, which is another great way to get your daily dose or a boost. With Michaels dental work of late, I have been making him smoothies, banana, mango, you can make lots of different ones depending on your tastes. Add eggs, wheat germ and vanilla, yummo.
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Yes I like steamed or raw actually I'm hopeless at eating different vegetables - I know I don't eat enough of a variation, I tend to stick to ones I really like....peas (definately no mush in sight! :ack:) carrots and sweetcorn, "tomatoes" mushrooms and leeks oh and potatoes. Just lazyness I guess.
I don't really know why because I can tolerate most veggies, and I don't eat much meat, chicken and or fish once or twice a week.
I love potatoes but I've never had sweet potatoes....... I will get some of those, forgot today when I went shopping lol. I think I'll try that califlower in mayo too I love mayo :)
I used to buy loads of different veggies and juice them up add some tomato juice and worcester sauce, it was nice actually - I must do that again.
I got some blackberrys today, god knows what I'm going to do with them.. lol
That pumpkin and sweet potato soup sounds nice, do you make your own misty?
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I do make my own soup Michelle, it started out as a pumpkin soup, but over the years I've changed it. A kilo of pumpkin and about half kilo, or more of sweet potato, a couple of large onions lots of garlic, or not if your not keen. A large potato, sometimes I don't because it won't fit into my slow cooker after cutting up everything else, doesn't seem to make much difference. I add lots of pepper for a bit of heat, could add chilli if you're game, and cover with just enough chicken stock, salt reduced of course. The original recipe had celery in it, I'm not keen on cooked celery so I leave it out now.
When it's cooked I blend it and serve it with low fat plain yoghurt and lots of parsley and garlic chives from my garden.
Years ago I used to steam vegies for dinner and occasionally add some of the water to them and blend them to make soup.
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That sounds a very healthy meal MB. I will definitely try making that myself - but perhaps with a little less garlic.
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Yes that does sound really nice, I will try it, thanks Misty.
I used to make alot of veggie soups too - carrot and coriander was my fav then.
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That sounds a real tasty meal Misty :thumb:
I heard that tomatos aren't good for arthritis sufferers, are any of you aware of this? :dunno:
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That's a new one on me, Serenity. My other half has arthritis and we have recently increased the amount of tomatoes in our diet to combat 'free radicals' - he doesn't seem to be adversely affected.
Something that helped him enormously was a herb called 'Devil's Claw'. We came across it on a TV programme a couple of years ago when Prof Kathy Wise endorsed it. Apparently, it's one of the 10 'super herbs' that have been shown by scientists to be therapeutically beneficial in the same way that garlic is good for blood circulation and St John's Wort is for Alzheimer's disease.
Gill
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Hadn't heard about tomatoes being bad for arthritis suffers, unless it has something to do with the acid content and arthritis suffers taking aspirin? My mother has osteo arthritis and can't eat tomatoes because of their acid content, gives her very bad heart burn. I have heard if you take out the seeds of tomatoes, it reduces the acid.
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Well I have consulted a few of Orthopaedics I work with and they agree, tomatoes arent good for arthitis alongside a few other fruits and vegtables... here is an article I've found... makes an interesting read :icon_book:
http://www.newstarget.com/008400.html
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Quite interesting, I've printed it off and I'll send to my mother, thanks. :)
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I will be trying out your pumpkin soup this week MB. We have a visitor from Oz staying with us from Wednesday and she is a vegetarian. :)
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We have a visitor from Oz staying with us from Wednesday and she is a vegetarian. :)
I have heard that if you dont invite them in then they arent allowed to cross the threshold of your house Clive.
Garlic around the door and window frames may also help to keep them away.
Keep a good supply of holy water handy and a few crucifixes, you can never be too careful o:)
I have heard that you can actually kill them by driving a steak through their hearts but that seems a waste of a good steak and I assume it would have to be a frozen one to be hard enough to do its job ;D
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Is that vegetarians or Australians you are talking about Sandra? :o: :woot:
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:pmsl: @ Sandra and Michelle.
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I have heard that if you dont invite them in then they arent allowed to cross the threshold of your house Clive.
Garlic around the door and window frames may also help to keep them away.
Keep a good supply of holy water handy and a few crucifixes, you can never be too careful o:)
I have heard that you can actually kill them by driving a steak through their hearts but that seems a waste of a good steak and I assume it would have to be a frozen one to be hard enough to do its job ;D
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it better be aussies.... :crazy:
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In the blue corner we have the veggies, and guess which colour corner for the meaties? o:)
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green?
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RED! :letch:
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Is that vegetarians or Australians you are talking about Sandra? :o: :woot:
Oh have I made that mistake again :blush:
I am always getting those two words that begin with V mixed up, vampires and vegetarians :o:
I think its because neither of them eat proper food, although the vampires come close to one of my favourite northern delicacies, black puddings, but in the raw state :)
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I think its because neither of them eat proper food, although the vampires come close to one of my favourite northern delicacies, black puddings, but in the raw state :)
food is food - I just dont run the risk of getting a variety of diseases from mine.... :-) ... that I know of! ::)
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Each to their own Sam :)
I dont mind the risk as long as it tastes good, I would hate to eat food that I didnt enjoy and die from some pesticide or fertiliser poisoning that theyd used to make it grow.
At least with meat you can bet your life its had plenty of antibiotics to keep the animals healthy ;)
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I will be trying out your pumpkin soup this week MB. We have a visitor from Oz staying with us from Wednesday and she is a vegetarian. :)
Good for you Clive I hope you enjoy it, I made some more this afternoon, I added some ginger to this lot.
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At least with meat you can bet your life its had plenty of antibiotics to keep the animals healthy ;)
the reason to go organic.... or in my case, once I get my own house..grow my own (vegetables in my case) ! :-)
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I tried planting some sausages and steaks a couple of years back but my soil must not be good enough to grow pigs and cows on :(
Organic food is no good for us older people Sam, we couldnt have got to our age without eating the preservatives and antibiotics that they put in the food.
Clive has even had to resort to being pickled in formaldehyde for 8 hours a night in order to preserve him for a few more years ;D
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I read an article in New Scientist some years back which claimed that there are so many preservatives in food these days that corpses that have been buried for several years still look as fresh as the day they were planted :nerves:.
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I tried planting some sausages and steaks a couple of years back but my soil must not be good enough to grow pigs and cows on :(
Organic food is no good for us older people Sam, we couldnt have got to our age without eating the preservatives and antibiotics that they put in the food.
Clive has even had to resort to being pickled in formaldehyde for 8 hours a night in order to preserve him for a few more years ;D
lol :-)
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I read an article in New Scientist some years back which claimed that there are so many preservatives in food these days that corpses that have been buried for several years still look as fresh as the day they were planted :nerves:.
sounds like racoon city...
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I made the pumpkin and sweet potato soup today and I have to say that it was very tasty. I will definitely prepare that again! Main course was a nut roast and that turned out really nice too. I was a bit apprehensive since it contained a few weird ingredients such as tahini, caraway seeds and vegemite, and it looked all vegetably. But it set into a cake-like texture and our Aussie guest was very impressed that I had taken the time to concoct it. Hell, I thought that nut roast was everyday fare for non-meat eaters! I actually got to like it after the first few mouthfulls but the cat was quite unimpressed at not having any leftovers.
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im not a nut roast fan!
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sounds like ra[racist remark] city...
ok, who the f*** changed my post? It is not a racist remark... Raccoon City -
Raccoon is based upon an archetypical industrial and commercial Midwestern American city. The economy of Raccoon City is largely dominated by the Umbrella Corporation. The corporation generously financed most of the city's projects, giving the company a positive image to the people of Raccoon City. Although 30% of the citizens are also employed by the international corporation, most are unaware of the company's many illegal activities.
The population of the city is over 100,000, as stated at the end of Resident Evil 3.
The novelizations of the games by S.D. Perry state that Raccoon City is located in Pennsylvania; however, the novels are not officially recognized by Capcom as part of the series' canon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raccoon_City
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:lol: I think the word censor is working overtime!
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>:(
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I made the pumpkin and sweet potato soup today and I have to say that it was very tasty. I will definitely prepare that again! Main course was a nut roast and that turned out really nice too. I was a bit apprehensive since it contained a few weird ingredients such as tahini, caraway seeds and vegemite, and it looked all vegetably. But it set into a cake-like texture and our Aussie guest was very impressed that I had taken the time to concoct it. Hell, I thought that nut roast was everyday fare for non-meat eaters! I actually got to like it after the first few mouthfulls but the cat was quite unimpressed at not having any leftovers.
I've never tried a nut loaf, I know I have eaten tahini, but I can't remember what it was like. I used to eat falafel, hummus and tabouleh, a great Lebanese take away close to work.
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sounds like ra[racist remark] city...
OK I'm really curious now, I've looked up SD Perry found the Umbrella Conspiracy......Oh, google that and it gives you the name on the city. Now if I type it, will it be censored as well.... Rac[racist remark] City.
And the answer is Yes it does. ;D
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argh!
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We have a cheese here called [racist remark], I wonder if the name of this will also be censored.
http://www.dairyfarmers.com.au/internet/s02_products/[racist remark]_history.jsp
OK, the word c.o.o.n seems to be the problem, political correctness gone over board.
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But it set into a cake-like texture and our Aussie guest was very impressed that I had taken the time to concoct it.
So the garlic, holy water and crucifixes didnt keep your visitor away then Clive :dunno:
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:doh: Garlic attracts vegetarians Sandra. I'm afraid it's back to the drawing board on that one! :( I am appalled that our two resident veggies don't eat nut roast though. They are just not taking it seriously enough!
I was a bit baffled by the ra[racist remark] city because I don't recall hearing the word co*n since the TV series Love thy neighbour ended way back in the 70's. It seems a bit daft to keep it in the word filter.
Tahini is pulped sesame seed and probably helps to bind the nutloaf together. My Aussie visitor grew up in Sydney and moved to Perth before eventually moving to London to live.
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My Aussie visitor grew up in Sydney and moved to Perth before eventually moving to London to live.
Emigrated from Oz to england, I thought they were just on holiday, and vegetarian :o
They must be nutters Clive, I wouldnt let them in my house for my own safety :o:
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They must be nutters Clive, I wouldnt let them in my house for my own safety :o:
:haha:
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Any goji berry fans here? If so, are you aware that they will become illegal from March 23rd and you will no longer be able to buy them? >:(
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I've never tried them, but why are they being made illegal?
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There is an EU directive that:
Under the Novel Foods Regulation a food or ingredient is defined as novel if there is no significant history of consumption within the EU before May 1997. If a food is deemed to be novel it must undergo full safety assessments before it can be authorised for sale.
I understand that they will still be available in other parts of the world. Goji's are spectacularly good for you if "Dr" Gillian McKeith and others are to be believed. LINK (http://www.drgillianmckeith.com/nutrition-goji.php)
There is QUITE A LOT MORE (http://www.health-report.co.uk/goji_berry.html) about it on the internet although I think some of the wilder claims should be taken with a pinch of salt. I'm seriously
trying to change my eating habits because I think disease prevention is always better than attempting a cure by which time it is often too late. I've slashed my red meat intake by two thirds, taken to eating more fish, berries and nuts. I'm an ex smoker so I need all the help I can get if I want to reach old age leading a full life.
And to Sam and Simon..... :bartmoon:
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I've just done a little bit of reading on them Clive, you can buy them here, berries and the plants.
http://www.gojiberryaustralia.com.au/Home.html
Or you can buy them from America and they sell seeds, if you have a green thumb. ;)
http://www.gojiberries.us/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=3
I'd rather buy the plants and grow my own, I was thinking of growing Kiwi fruit but these sound a lot better.
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Apparently, it's not at all difficult to grow them here in the UK, so I'm sure there is going to be a great deal of difficulty on banning them. If you do decide to grow them, I would be very interested to learn how you get on!
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I'd never heard of them, have you been getting them long clive? do you have them as fruit or dried? You can get tablets of them too.
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have you been getting them long clive?
Only for the last 120 years Michelle. ;D
Seriously though, I only found out about them myself last weekend when we were out shopping with a health freak. I bought a pack of the dried berries in Julian Graves and picked up a leaflet on them which made lots of fascinating claims. When I looked them up on the the Internet I discovered that they cannot be sold in the UK after March 23rd owing to an EEC directive. I bought a rather large supply from a company called detoxyourworld.com and the use-by date is towards the end of the year. They turned up within 2 days and added a bag of berries for free. I've since learned of a number of other people who believe they are very beneficial. I sprinkle a quantity over my porridge each morning but sometimes also eat a few as a snack. Thet really are very tasty and quite chewy. They have a very distinctive colour (red) and look like very tiny dates. I've only seen good things written about them and the packs I bought from detoxyourworld.com are all labelled "also known as happy berries". I reckon I have a sense of wellbeing since adding them to my diet so I will continue eating them for as long as I can get my hands on them. As for tablets, I would prefer the fruit but I would consider taking them if the real thing was not available.
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Only for the last 120 years Michelle. ;D
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I reckon I have a sense of wellbeing since adding them to my diet so I will continue eating them for as long as I can get my hands on them.
Sounds good clive! Yes I know tablets cannot be as good as the real thing but might be the only option for now. Worth a try anyway ;D
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Clive will be rattling when he walks soon! ;D
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I thought that he already did ::)
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Dem bones dem bones dem dry bones..... ;D