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Technical Help & Discussion => Self Building, Upgrading & General Hardware Help => Topic started by: mistybear on December 23, 2007, 13:22
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This is about the fourth time this has happened, I get the blue screen and memory dump and it says something about enough disk space or video/graphics card drivers.
Michael looked at it a few days ago when it happened and said I need to update my drivers? He was going to send me the link, but we both forgot.
I have never updated the drivers on this computer (medion 8383).
I have just downloaded the latest drivers from the Medion site and AVG has detected a Trojan horse Agent.MCH in the gknvidgfx_w2kxp.exe file.
So I guess I shouldn't open this, but what should I do with it, vault? delete? :dunno:
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It might be worth trying to do an online scan of the file, MB, in case it's a false positive.
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If the drivers have been downloaded from the genuine Medion site, then I would suggest a false positive from AVG, MB.
I have just downloaded the driver file from Driver Guide, and Bit Defender says it's clean.
If you like, PM me an email address and I'll send you this one, or alternatively, give me the link to the the one you downloaded and I'll test it for you. :)
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Thanks guys.
I don't know how to do an online scan Rik. :dunno: :crazy:
Simon I have PM'd you, oops forgot my email address. :blush:
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If the driver does not fix it check that the fan on the video card is working ok, it could be a heat related issue.
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Good thinking gmax, I know it's due for a good clean out. :D
There probably is a lot of dust and cat fur on it. (https://www.pc-pals.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg184.echo.cx%2Fimg184%2F2055%2Fcatsiam2lv.gif&hash=d177f009641ca87539ae3bae6d0fcd0a6ad78b6c)
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Simon, I downloaded it from the link you sent me, but it wouldn't install. :dunno:
And I installed their Driver Toolkit and according to that, the video card drivers were up to date, which they obviously weren't. :dunno:
Michael used the Nvidia site and we finally installed the new drivers. So we finally got there. :thumbs:
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OK, at least it's sorted. :)
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Well it was until i turned it on today, blue screen again, this time it was the bios, then it started making strange noises.
Michael opened it up and took out the memory sticks, one was dead. So I'm back to just 512mb. :(
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Oh well ram is cheap at the moment :)
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And could well increase in cost in the New Year, so probably a good time to buy.
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Oh well ram is cheap at the moment :)
Have any suggestions on where are the best prices? :dunno:
The mainboard provides 4 slots for 184-pin DDR SDRAM DIMM (Double In-
Line Memory Module) modules and supports the memory size up to 4GB. You can
install DDR400/DDR333 modules on the DDR DIMM slots (DIMM 1~4).
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In the UK, MB, but that wouldn't be much help to you. :(
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Thanks Rik, I thought gmax may have some suggestions, as he's from my part of the world. :)
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There's never a Gmax around when you want one. :)
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Don't panic, i'm here, :) MB, For cheap pc bits i buy from "MSY", see if theres a branch near you.
http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf
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Some good prices there gmax, but unfortunately for me not much in the way of DDR 400 memory. That's the problem with these motherboards, Michael wants to upgrade to a new MB and CPU. I'm not sure getting a new MB so I can get cheaper RAM is the way to go for me though.
Anyone know what the meaning of "High Density vs Low Density" for memory sticks. This what one seller put on ebay.
This listing is for high density memory. High density memory is a good low-cost computer upgrade solution and works well if it is compatible with your system. However, typically it is far less compatible than low density and will only work in certain motherboards.
Low density memory is compatible with 100% of the motherboards in the market and is typically of better quality. But this means it is more expensive than high density. For your reference, all branded memory you purchase from big box retailers is low density.
Please check to see if your chipset is listed below and contact your motherboard manufacturer to be sure it is compatible with high density memory. If you are unsure, we highly recommend that you purchase low density memory.
When comparing computer memory on Ebay please look for the words ?high density? or ?low density?. Some unscrupulous Ebay sellers do not mention whether their item is high density or not so you should also look at the chip configuration. For 1GB modules, high density is stated as ?128x8? or ?128x4?. Low density is ?64x8?. Also, high density listings will typically have a list of compatible chipsets where as low density will not.
It's not as if buying memory sticks for dual-channel isn't hard enough, plus whether they will be compatible with what is already installed. :dunno:
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Is there a difference in, say normal branded memory, like samsung, corsair and a like, and memory sticks made for HP?
I've come across "4 X (NEW) HP 1GB PC3200 (DDR 400MHZ) DDR DIMM MODULE" (DE468A)
Is there any reason that they wouldn't be compatible with my computer? :dunno:
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Check your motherboard website , usually there is a list of compatible ram , what is the brand and model of your motherboard?, if you don't know download and install
this little program"CPU-Z" http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php. it will show what you have.
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The motherboard has been especially made for Medion by Micro Star (I think) MS-7091 M-ATX Mainboard.
I have the manual for it, not sure it has all the technical data that would be helpful. It's a pdf file, so I can paste sections if you like.
But trying to find it online is quite difficult.
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Mainboard Specifications
CPU
Supports Intel® Pentium 4 Prescott LGA775 processors in LGA775 package.
Supports up to Pentium 4 3XX, 5XX sequence processor or higher speed.
Supports Intel Hyper-Threading Technology.
Chipset
Intel® 915P chipset
- Supports FSB 533/800MHz.
- Supports DDR 400/333 memory interface.
Intel® ICH6R chipset
- Hi-Speed USB (USB2.0) controller, 480Mb/sec, up to 8 ports.
- 4 Serial ATA ports with transfer rate up to 150 Mbytes/sec.
- 1 channel Ultra ATA 100 bus Master IDE controller.
- PCI Master v2.3, I/O APIC.
- ACPI 2.0 Compliant.
- Serial ATA 150 RAID 0, RAID 1 and Matrix RAID.
- Integrated AHCI controller.
Main Memory
Supports four DDR1 SDRAM memory modules.
Supports up to 4GB memory size.
Supports Dual channel DDR1.
Slots
One PCI Express x16 slot (supports PCI Express Bus specification v1.0a compliant).
Three 32-bit v2.3 Master PCI bus slots (support 3.3v/5v PCI bus interface).
- The second PCI slot (PCI2, in blue color) supports 2 master devices.
On-Board IDE
One Ultra DMA 66/100 IDE controllers integrated in ICH6R.
- Supports PIO, Bus Master operation modes.
- Can connect up to Two Ultra ATA drives.
Serial ATA 150 controller integrated in ICH6R.
- Up to 150MB/sec transfer speed.
- Can connect up to four Serial ATA devices.
On-Board Peripherals
On-Board Peripherals include:
- 1 floppy port supports 1 FDD with 360K, 720K, 1.2M, 1.44M and 2.88Mbytes
- 1 serial port
- 1 parallel port supports SPP/EPP/ECP mode
- 8 USB 2.0 / 1.1 ports (Rear*4 / Front*4)
- 1 RJ45 connector
- 1 Rear 1394 port (6 Pins) / 1 Front 1394 port
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That motherboard is not fussy with ram, if you want the ram to run in "dual channel" mode you will have you will need matching sticks of ram, if your not bothered about
dual channel just get the "Kingston DDR 400 512 MB" from MSY. Samsung, corsair,Legend, brands DDR 400 should work fine with your motherboard
I have a spare stick of "Legend DDR 400 512mb" sitting here doing nothing, pity you dont live in Adelaide :)
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What exactly does "matching" sticks mean. Does it mean that I have to purchase a matching pair, or could I just get 2 of the same sticks and run them in dual channel? :dunno:
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Identical pair of ram modules is what you need for dual channel.
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I have done a little reading about the Intel 915P on the Intel site, and according to that site, it can support "Intel 915P Express Chipset-based platforms also enable system design flexibility, with support for both dual-channel DDR and DDR2 memory, discrete PCI Express graphics, and additional platform capabilities via flexible ICH6 options."
http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/915P/915P_pb.pdf
http://compare.intel.com/pcc/showchart.aspx?mmID=881356,860679,878535&familyID=1&culture=en-US
Now I'm really confused. :crazy: :dunno:
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The motherboard manual has no mention of support for DDR 2 ram, i would just stick with DDR 400 ram, now stop stuffing around & and grab another stick of DDR 400
ram or if you want dual channel get 2 identical sticks of DDR 400 :thumbs:. Thats all you need to do, stop confusing the issue :)
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Okay, I'm really going to confuse the issue, well not really. ;D
As Michael will be upgrading his computer, yet again.
He needs a new motherboard and CPU, which brings us to the real issue (for me anyway), that will mean new RAM. ;) ;D
http://www.pc-pals.com/smf/index.php?topic=20724.0
So what will happen to the 2 X 1Gb DDR 3200 400, which are currently in his computer. Solved my problem. :thumbs:
But created a bigger one. :bawl:
I have been looking into this at another forum, as it's Australian, and I'm looking for the best prices. But I welcome all advice from everyone, so please don't be shy, I need all the help I can get. :help1:
Here's the advice I have been offered so far...... http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=885420
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Ok you definately dont want to go for an AMD based system.
The Intel Core 2 Duos are the only real choice at the moment for "bang per buck".
If you compare the price of a Core 2 Duo with 1mb L2 Cache with a Core 2 Duo of the same speed but with 2mb L2 Cache and you can afford it then the one with the 2mb cache per core is considerably better.
Asus seem to be the motherboard of choice for most people these days although some people dont like them.
You really do need to decide how much you are prepared to spend in total before you decide on the specification.
The PSU that Michael already has will be fine
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Hi Sandra, nice to see you.
I was only considering and Intel, but which one is the problem. Thinking this one Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 for about $230
And I have been looking at so many motherboards, I'm about to scream. I was thinking Gigabyte, I'm currently reading about this one. www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2679&ProductName=GA-N650SLI-DS4L (http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2679&ProductName=GA-N650SLI-DS4L)
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Which would be better, http://www.i-tech.com.au/products/19633_Intel_BX80562X3210_XEON_X3210__2_13Mhz.aspx
Or
http://www.i-tech.com.au/products/19630_Intel_BX80557E6750_CORE_2_DUO_E6750.aspx
:dunno:
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If not using 2 video cards why would you get a motherboard with SLI?, only 2 pci slots :ack:
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Hope i'm not just confusing things more but this may be worth a look at...
http://www.trustedreviews.com/motherboards/ (http://www.trustedreviews.com/motherboards/)
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If not using 2 video cards why would you get a motherboard with SLI?, only 2 pci slots :ack:
Michaels computer is mainly for gaming, so the possibility that he may what to run 2 cards is quite real.
Hope i'm not just confusing things more but this may be worth a look at...
http://www.trustedreviews.com/motherboards/ (http://www.trustedreviews.com/motherboards/)
Thanks Cam, looks good, I'll send it to Michael.
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That mobo should be ok but dont think about XEON CPUs as theyre only really for servers, not too sure what the difference is.
The other CPU would be good in that mobo as its 1333 FSB which that mobo supports.
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So, would that system be powerful enough and good enough to run the 8 series GFX cards, or two 7 series, and last for some time?
Also can it be overclocked safely?
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I cant see the point of overclocking an already fast system so I cant say yes or no on that one.
I dont overclock as theres no point in creating unnecessary potential problems.
It will definately run the 8 and 7 series cards, individually or in SLI, subject to the PSU supporting it, which it should do as I think that you bought yours with that in mind.
You couldnt really improve on it by much at the moment MB, apart from going for a Quad Core which you wont be able to take advantage of yet or an Extreme CPU at silly money.
So it should be as future proof as anything can be these days, until the next fastest/best thing comes out.
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Thanks Sandra, now the hard part.......... what can I sell? ;D
Almost forgot, what RAM should I get?
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For the price.. SLI is not worth it. In the end it costs you less to get a single High performing X1900XT 512MB instead of two 7800GTX 256MB cards.
SLi adds at best a 30% performance increase for a 100% increase in price. Not worth it
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Thanks gmax, it's still a work in progress.......... I'm not sure it's necessary either, so I will keep looking.
But I'm fairly certain about the CPU though. :)
I still have to get RAM and a new CPU cooler of some description. :dunno:
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Corsair make decent ram, http://www.corsair.com/
For cpu cooling i use a "3RSystems Ice Age 120", its a lot quieter than the stock cpu fan, another highly regarded cpu fan is the "Thermalright Ultra-120"
http://reseller.akatech.com.au/control/product/~category_id=CAT_COOLER/~product_id=CPUICE120
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article646-page1.html
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Yes, I have been looking at the Thermalright Ultra-120", but I'm starting to go cross eyed, so time for bed. :snooze:
I'll have a read in the morning, well later. :yawn:
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If he's not going to need the SLI, I'm thinking a www.megaware.com.au/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=46335
or something similar.
And I've had the blue screen again, a couple of times. First one was something about the Bios, yesterdays I didn't read it.
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Michael was wanting to save up for a car, but some of that money has to go to this upgrade.
So we compromised.
LINK (http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/20/custom-computer-housed-in-a-porsche-cayenne-wheel/)
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Well, at least you have a spare wheel! :santa:
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If not using 2 video cards why would you get a motherboard with SLI?, only 2 pci slots :ack:
Okay, it isn't the best choice, he does need more PCI slots. So any suggestions?
The 6750 CPU is a definite.
I'm having trouble understanding "chipsets". I'm trying to find out which chipset the Intel® Core?2 Duo Processor E6750 is.
http://compare.intel.com/pcc/showchart.aspx?mmID=890439&familyID=1&culture=en-US
As the Asus site wants the chipset to find motherboards which will suit.
http://au.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11
And all I can find on the Intel site is this, which for me, is as clear as mud. :dunno:
http://compare.intel.com/pcc/default.aspx?mmID=999999&familyID=10&culture=en-US
And Gigabyte is the same.
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_List.aspx?VenderType=Intel&CPUType=socket+775
:crazy: :dunno: :sigh: :help1:
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I like the look of the "abit IP35 Pro" it's been getting very good reviews, http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/abit-ip35-pro.html
Give it some thought it looks to be a nice board :thumbs:
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Thanks gmax, I thought trying to decide between Gigabyte and Asus was bad enough, now I have another one...... :bawl:
Just kidding, I did in fact look at them, but thought I should stick to something like Gigabyte for their reputation and "with all solid capacitor design".
I did notice in that review, they mentioned "abit Mainboard Family on Intel P35 Express Chipset".
Does anyone know the relevance of "chipsets". :dunno:
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The P35, a member of the Bearlake-family, is Intel's latest weapon in their chipset arsenal and it is designed to support their upcoming Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme processors. These upcoming processors are designed to support the 1333MHz FSB (Front Side Bus), where as current processors use an 800MHz and 1066MHz FSB. Furthermore this new chipset also adds support for the upcoming DDR3 memory standard while also supporting the latest DDR2 memory standards.
Abit, have been around a long time, they have a good reputation.
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I know I'm probably being fussy, but this is a big investment, especially as this wasn't in the budget. And I'm not one to buy this sort of hardware without understanding how it works and what is the best value for Michaels needs.
I have spent hours on the Intel site trying to understand their processors and chipsets, only to become more confused. So it's very difficult to choose the correct motherboard.
But I have found an article that has explained a few things for me.
The chipset is made up of a series of chips integrated onto the motherboard, which, together, control the system and its capabilities. All components, from the memory to the peripheral devices, communicate with the processor through the chipset. If you think of the motherboard as the physical hardware, the chipset is the logic that underlies it. It is the part that dictates how different components actually talk to one another and is the most important component on the motherboard.
Because motherboards are designed around the capabilities of the chipset, users cannot upgrade the computer's chipset without upgrading the motherboard as well. Therefore the chipset and processor you choose will be crucial in deciding what motherboard is best for your system, and vice versa.The chipset uses the DMA (Direct Memory Access) controller and the bus controller to organise the steady flow of data that it controls.
Alongside the DMA and bus controllers, the chipset's many functions include the memory controller, hard drive controller, PCI, PCIe and AGP bridges, RTC (real time clock), IrDA controller, keyboard controller, the USB interface and mouse controller. The chipset manages the interaction of the various connectors. Nearly all new chipsets have a bunch of extras added in - integral support for sound output, networking and FireWire for instance.
A chipset is usually (but not always) split into two main parts - the north and south bridges. The north bridge takes control of the major functions such as the memory, cache, and AGP connectors (more on these below), while the south bridge controls the non-core functions of the motherboard, such as the PCI bus, integrated audio, EIDE, SATA, serial and USB controllers.
http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;641784313;pp;3#chipset
I still have a bit of reading to do, but I'm getting there. :icon_book: :hny:
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The "abit IP35 Pro" has the latest intel chipset, i really don't know what you are trying achieve, with the latest chipset your pc will be more future proof. If you are getting a
intel cpu, an intel chipset on the motherboard would be best. Geez do you stuff around this much buying a car? ;D
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No, I buy the blue one I see. ;) ;D
Do they have colour coded motherboards, that might make it easier. :)x
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No, I buy the blue one I see. ;) ;D
Do they have colour coded motherboards, that might make it easier. :)x
yes theres a red one http://www.infomaticsonline.co.uk/articles/bigpicture/2133488 or a nice pink one http://www.infomaticsonline.co.uk/articles/bigpicture/2133483 if thats what you are looking for ;D ;D ;D ;D
cant say if the boards are any good though :)
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What, no blue ones. ;)
This is more a violet, purplish, not really pink. But very nice. Heck, if Michael doesn't like it, I think I'll have to get one for me. :)x
http://www.infomaticsonline.co.uk/articles/bigpicture/2133483
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The Abit IP35 Pro has gotten the thumbs up, and it's blue. :)x
I'm now having second thoughts about the CPU, as Fluidtek has the Intel Q6600 for $190 WHEN YOU BUY 2GB OF PQI DDR2 800 FOR $155.
But why would anyone buy 2gb of generic memory for $155?
Or
Intel core duo e6750 for $115 WHEN YOU BUY 2GB OF PQI DDR2 800 FOR $155
And I have just read this,
Someone has provided us with the new names for the 45nm Penryn line, coming from Intel.
The most well known is the one coming out first, the 3GHz 12MB L2 Quad-core QX9650, price on that part should be ~$1029.00, and available very soon.
The three new models that have popped up, official launch is 01/08 for the models below:
E8200 2.66GHz 1333MHz FSB 6MB L2 Cache $177.00
E8400 3.0GHz 1333MHz FSB 6MB L2 Cache $198.00
E8500 3.16GHz 1333MHz FSB 6MB L2 Cache $281.00
I'm sure there's more to follow, and based on early testing of the QX9650 - It looks like Intel is keen on driving yet another nail in AMD's coffin.
(Prices are street estimates US$)
http://jonnyguru.com/news_details.php?id=379
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PQI is budget ram, i would use better ram