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Technical Help & Discussion => Self Building, Upgrading & General Hardware Help => Topic started by: Simon on April 13, 2008, 22:53
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... anyone like to comment? Any mismatches? Will it work? Anything else I need? Got CD/DVD Roms from old machine.
1 x Coolermaster Centurion 5 All Black Case + 550W eXtreme Power Plus PSU £59.56
1 x Corsair 4GB Kit (2x2GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC2-6400 XMS2 Memory Non-ECC Unbuffered CL5(5-5-5-18) Heat Spreader Lifetime Warranty £52.50
1 x ASUS P5KC AiLifestyle Series iP35 Socket 775 8 channel audio ATX Motherboard £61.97
1 x Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 G0 Stepping (2.4GHz 1066MHz) Socket 775 L2 8MB Cache (2x4MB (4MB per core pair) CPU £127.65
1 x Seagate ST3500320AS 500GB Hard Drive SATA II 7200rpm *32MB Cache* £49.22
1 x Arctic Cooling AC-FRZ-7P Freezer 7 Pro Socket 775 Processor Cooler £12.97
Just one thing, can SATA and IDE hard drives be mixed? I have a 160Gb IDE on the old machine for storage, and would want to transfer it, if possible, to the new one.
Oh, and what sort of graphics card would I need? I have a spare AGP one, but I guess that won't work with this mobo.
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May be an idea to look for a diff mobo Simon looking at this :
http://www.custompc.co.uk/reviews/125932/asus-p5kc.html
No PS2 mouse port for some reason :dunno:
Seems to be a lot better performance using DDR3 rather than DDR2 but DDR3 is a bit expensive at the moment.
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Typical, I was looking on the ASUS site for a similar priced but better mobo Simon and its gone down for essential maintainence ::)
I dont like it when they miss something as significant as PS2 mouse and keyboard connectors off mobos.
OK you can use USB ones but its always nice to have basic PS2 available for trouble shooting.
How many of us would still prefer a car equipped with a starting handle for that once in a million times that you may have needed it, they should never leave things off, just add more ;D
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another thing, do you need all that cooling?
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Depends on what you really want to use your graphics card for Simon. If your an avid gamer like myself then i would be looking at the 8800GT (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-002-PN&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1008) or 8800GTX (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-099-XF&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=877) both are very well priced and give good performance. If your not into gaming then something like the 8600GT (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-058-GW&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=912) or the ATI 3850 pro (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-021-GI&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=416).
The above mentioned cards are fairly cheap and i think the 8800GTX is proberly the cheapest you'll find it and the best bet value for price vs performance i'd say.
Oh and all the cards are PCI-E and i think so is your Motherboard, so you spare AGP one wont work i'm afraid.
Also found cheaper RAM for you, OZC 4GB PC2-6400C5 Dual Channel (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-086-OC&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=813) £49.34
And yes you can mix and match IDE and SATA.
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May be an idea to look for a diff mobo Simon looking at this :
http://www.custompc.co.uk/reviews/125932/asus-p5kc.html
No PS2 mouse port for some reason :dunno:
Seems to be a lot better performance using DDR3 rather than DDR2 but DDR3 is a bit expensive at the moment.
Hmm... thanks for that Sandra. Not the best review either, is it? :-\
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another thing, do you need all that cooling?
I don't know - don't I? :dunno: I thought you couldn't have too much cooling. Are you talking about the heatsink & fan, Sam? Apparently the CPU does come with it's own one, but I had assumed that would be pretty basic.
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another thing, do you need all that cooling?
The "Arctic Cooling AC-FRZ-7P Freezer 7 Pro Socket 775 Processor Cooler" would be quieter & more efficient than the standard one, good price too!
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Depends on what you really want to use your graphics card for Simon. If your an avid gamer like myself then i would be looking at the 8800GT (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-002-PN&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1008) or 8800GTX (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-099-XF&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=877) both are very well priced and give good performance. If your not into gaming then something like the 8600GT (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-058-GW&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=912) or the ATI 3850 pro (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-021-GI&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=416).
The above mentioned cards are fairly cheap and i think the 8800GTX is proberly the cheapest you'll find it and the best bet value for price vs performance i'd say.
Oh and all the cards are PCI-E and i think so is your Motherboard, so you spare AGP one wont work i'm afraid.
Also found cheaper RAM for you, OZC 4GB PC2-6400C5 Dual Channel (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-086-OC&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=813) £49.34
And yes you can mix and match IDE and SATA.
Thanks for that, Jester! I'm not really a gamer, so I think the 8600GT would do me fine. Also, a bonus about mixing SATA and IDE. Do all mobos allow that, or is that something I should be looking for?
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The "Arctic Cooling AC-FRZ-7P Freezer 7 Pro Socket 775 Processor Cooler" would be quieter & more efficient than the standard one, good price too!
Yes, the price made it a bit of a no brainer for me. Also, being extremely cynical, I wouldn't expect the standard one to be all that wonderful, as after all, they want the CPU to cook after the warranty expires, so you have to buy another!
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I have 2 Intel based pcs Simon, both socket 775, ones a single core 660 3.6ghz and the other has a dual core D945 3.4ghz, not the core 2 duo unfortunately.
Like you I thought that the freezer 7 pro seemed to be the needed one and bought one.
It made very little difference to my dual core one.
The standard Intel 775 cooler is very good and the later core 2 duos and quad cores run cooler than the earlier D945 dual cores like mine, so I wouldnt bother unless you are going to be overclocking the CPU to some silly speed :)
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I wouldn't know where to start with overclocking, so that won't be an issue, San. Just need to find another mobo now. It's a shame, because that one had great reviews on Ebuyer. :)
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Sandra, Do you find the standard Intel 775 cooler noisy?
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Thanks for that, Jester! I'm not really a gamer, so I think the 8600GT would do me fine. Also, a bonus about mixing SATA and IDE. Do all mobos allow that, or is that something I should be looking for?
As far as I know all mobos will run IDE and SATA simultaneously. They use different controllers I think.
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Hmm... can't find another mobo for the same sort of price that has PS2 inputs and is DDR3 compatible. I already have both USB mouse and keyboard, and admittedly, on my existing PC, the keyboard won't work until it's loaded the drivers, which makes it impossible to use safe mode, but on other PCs, that doesn't seem to be an issue, so I assumed it was something to do with my BIOS settings.
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Ah, should have read it properly the first time. :blush: It's only the mouse ps2 which is lacking, it seems to have a keyboard one, which is the most important, yes? I don't think the lack of a mouse ps2 would bother me, and I have also found this (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/124850), which would enable me to connect my two existing ROM drives, yes?
(https://www.pc-pals.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsi6776.www.idnet.com%2Fp5kc_back.jpg&hash=2223d5e7864486c2a66b85105f7f26e744b81090)
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I'm not sure why you want 2 ROM drives?
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Always have had, Gmax - makes copying stuff a bit easier, and as I've got them, I might as well use them. Also, I don't like too many blank spaces on the front of the PC case. ;D
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Just seen this mobo: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/141245. How does this compare to the Asus? The Asus seems to have more bells and whistles, but not sure how essential they all are. I am aware that the Intel isn't DDR3 compatible, but would this be upgradable?
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In theory an Intel mobo should be the best one for an Intel processor :)
That looks fine but wont upgrade to DDR3 at a later stage but with fast enough DDR2 ram that shouldnt be a problem.
A bit of a dilemma here for you Simon.
The Q6600 is only a 1066MHz one and this mobo and the Asus you mentioned are capable of 1333Mhz.
Theres a core 2 duo which is 2.66ghz and 1333Mhz which is slightly cheaper, comparing both on Ebuyer, possibly cheaper still elsewhere :
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/130484
That should be faster for single applications than the quad.
There arent any applications out yet that I know of that can fully utilise dual core CPUs, only a single core at a time, although they will come along I am sure.
The advantage of a multi core CPU is that you can run 2 or more heavy CPU intensive applications at once without one application taking some performance away from the other.
Are you likely, now or at some stage in the future, to be running more than 2 heavy duty apps at the same time ?
If the answer is no then the core 2 duo is probaly your better option, bang for buck.
If the answer is yes or you think that some programs and/or games will be coming out soon that can make use of all 4 cores then you are better off going for the quad.
The ram you mentioned would be fine with that mobo and is the fastest it will support.
You will need a PCI e GFX card and as Jester has said depending what you use it for then any of the ones hes suggested will be ok.
I prefer Nvidia to ATI but thats just my personal prefernce and I am not a gamer.
I am using an 8400GS in this pc but that was just so I could get the Aero desktop feature working on Vista which my old agp card wouldnt do, this mobo has AGP and PCI e slots so I can use either.
IDE and Sata drives mix without any problems, unless your an old scottish woman :P
You may find that you will have to get a PCI IDE controller card if you wish to use your old IDE drive and a pair of DVD drives, unless you get a new SATA DVD drive for one of them.
The PSU should be ok just check that it has the 24 pin mobo connector and at least a 4 pin intel cpu mobo connector, some use 8 but that mobo just uses 4.
Also that it has a GFX card connector.
I hope I have covered everything, if you think I have missed something or want to discuss something else just ask
:)
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I'm using the Quad core that you may be buying and it's a very good processor, run's very cool and I'm still using the stock cooler. But as Sandra said if your not using several CPU heavy Apps at once then the Dual Core she mentioned is spot on I even found it cheaper here Core 2 Duo E6750 (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-157-IN&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=793).
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Ooh, a rare case where cheaper is better! Thanks San, will check that one out.
Currently filling up a basket on Scan, which has so far worked out £30 cheaper than Ebuyer for the same components.
Here's the specs for the case and CPU, which I've had to order, as they were down to the last 4, so hopefully it's OK:
Chassis
M/B Type ATX
5.25 Drive Bay 5 ( Exposed )
3.5 Drive Bay 1 ( Exposed );4 ( Hidden )
Cooling System
One 80 x 80 x 20 mm Front Fan ( Intake )
One 120x 120x 25mm Rear Fan(Exhaust)
I/O Panel USB 2.0 * 2
IEEE 1394 (FireWire) *1
MIC * 1
PSU Specs
Formfactor ATX 12V V2.01
Maximum Power 550W
Noise Level Min. 20 dBA (till20% load)
Efficency 70 till 80%
Warranty 2 Year
Diameter 150 x 86 x 150 mm
Fan type 120 x 120 x 25 mm
Input Voltage 180 ~ 264V
Input Current 5A @ 230Vac
Input Frequency 47 ~ 63Hz
PFC Active PFC (0,99)
Power Good Signal 100 ~ 500 ms
Hold up time Min. 17 ms
MTBF 100.000 uur
Protection OVP / OCP / OTP / OLP / Short / Full Protection
safty CE / cUL / TUV / NEMKO / BSMI / FCC
Operation Temperature 0~40 ºC
Cable Connectors
20+4pin Motherboard Power Connector
4pin ATX12V Motherboard Connector
2x 6pin PCI-Express Connector
1x 8pin PCI-Express Connector
3x SATA Connectors
5x Molex Peripheral connectors
2x Floppy Connectors
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Oh, and at the moment, I'm going for the original Asus mobo that I saw, as the Intel one doesn't even have a keyboard PS2, which at least the Asus does. However, I'm open to persuasion, as I like the look of the Intel mobo, and it would seem to be a sensible match for the CPU.
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Looking at the E6750, it only has 4Mb cache, whereas the Q6600 has 8Mb cache. Is that not an issue? I'm having trouble believing that cheaper is better, but I'll happily be convinced. :)
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I would say it all depends on your needs. I mean the Q6600 is a awesome CPU one of the best Intel have released to date but ask yourself do you need 4 cores? Sandra is right there aren't very many Apps and games that utilise the 4 core's to date. I have recently just installed Vista ultimate 64bit and I have noticed that it uses my 4 cores a lot more that the 32bit so that's benefit I guess for me. Either way there both great CPU's, but if you want a slightly more future proof one then go for the Q6600.
Also have you tried pricing your goods from overclockers as I have found them cheaper than scan sometimes. Just food for thought.
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I've had some good recommendations for Scan, Jester, and seem to recall hearing some not so good ones for OCers, but could be wrong. Hmmm... not sure which one to go for. I think I'm going to be sticking to XP, so I suppose the sensible option would be the E6750. Going to have another look at the Intel mobos, and see if I can find one with a K/B PS2.
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That power supply is fine.
The L2 cache is 2mb per core Simon so the E6750 has 2 x 2mb = 4mb and the Q6600 has 4 x 2mb = 8mb.
You can only use the available cache when that core is in use, so theres no real difference in normal use between the 2 CPUS, apart from the E6750 has a 10% faster clock speed.
People used to risk burning out expensive CPUs that ran at 233mhz by overclocking them by 10% to get another 23mb, the E6750 gives you over 200mb more without overclocking it and for less money :D
Are you a member of AVforums Simon ?
AVForums members are eligible for free delivery on all orders worth £20+VAT from SCAN Computers
http://www.avforums.com/forums/index.php
Your order will probably qualify for free delivery anyway due to its cost if Scan are like most stores these days.
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That's great, thanks San, and yes, I am a member of AVF.
Just looking at Intel mobos again, but most of them seems to be lacking the K/B PS2. :(
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Yeah Scan are good but I find them pricey! I've used Overclockers for a few years now and not had a single problem with them, very quick despatch and delivery e.g....order on Tuesday get it Wednesday!!! Citylink providing of course!! ::) and there support is good too.
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What a silly move if they are all going that way :dunno:
If voice commands worked like they do in the Star Trek movies then I could understand it but for basic setting up and fault fixing I like to have a standard wired PS2 mouse and keyboard and even a floppy.
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I couldn't believe Scan were cheaper than Ebuyer! I'll have a look though.
What about this mobo? http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=605524
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I couldn't believe Scan were cheaper than Ebuyer! I'll have a look though.
What about this mobo? http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=605524
Yeah that seems a good one. And Abit are a very good mobo maker.
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E6750 has a 10% faster clock speed.
The Q6600 has 4 cores running at 2.40GHz and the E6750 has 2 cores running at 2.66GHz. So would the Q6600 not be the faster or does it not work like that?
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Yeah that seems a good one. And Abit are a very good mobo maker.
Right, so just to be certain, is that compatible with the rest of the list so far?
Sony DRU-190S 20x DVD±R, 8x DVD±DL, DVD+RW x8 / -RW x 6, DVD-RAM x12, SATA, Retail (Black/beige) £19.96
500 GB Seagate ST3500320AS Barracuda 7200.11, SATA II, 7200 rpm, 32MB Cache, 8.5 ms, NCQ £59.91
80 GB Seagate ST380815AS Barracuda 7200.10, SATA II, 7200 rpm, 8MB Cache, 8.9 ms £25.60
4GB(2x2GB) Corsair Value Select, DDR2 PC2-5300(667), 240 Pin, Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 5-5-5-15 £56.39
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition SP2b (Release 2) OEM - Single Pack £51.98
256MB Gainward 8600GT SilentFx, PCI-E Mem 1400MHz GDDR3, GPU 540MHz, 32 Streams, DL DVI-I/D-Sub/HDMI £67.02
Intel Core 2 Duo E6750, Conroe Core, S775, 2.66 GHz, 1333MHz FSB, 4MB Cache, Retail £119.60
Abit IP-35, Dark Raider, iP35 Express, S 775, PCI-E (x16), DDR2 533/667/800, SATA II, SATA RAID, ATX £67.79
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What a silly move if they are all going that way :dunno:
If voice commands worked like they do in the Star Trek movies then I could understand it but for basic setting up and fault fixing I like to have a standard wired PS2 mouse and keyboard and even a floppy.
Oh, I hadn't thought of a floppy - yes, best get one.
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Yeah your safe with that board. I see no issues! Can take up too DDR2 800 (yours is 667), has PCI-E so your Graphics card is fine, and the FSB is 1333 along with your CPU so no problems there.
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Just went to Overclockers and duplicated the Scan basket - £50 more!! They do have some bundle deals, but all, it seems, with 2Gb Ram. Might as well go the whole hog, eh? :D
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Just went to Overclockers and duplicated the Scan basket - £50 more!! They do have some bundle deals, but all, it seems, with 2Gb Ram. Might as well go the whole hog, eh? :D
Sorry is Scan more do you mean? Yeah there bundles are mainly on 2GB. Yet again though if you don't use CPU and memory heavy Apps or games then there is no need for 4GB is there?
I mean This (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BU-039-OK&groupid=701&catid=339&subcat=944) is very good value.
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Sorry is Scan more do you mean? Yeah there bundles are mainly on 2GB. Yet again though if you don't use CPU and memory heavy Apps or games then there is no need for 4GB is there?
I mean This (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BU-039-OK&groupid=701&catid=339&subcat=944) is very good value.
Yes, I did look at that one. I do use audio editing programs, such as Sony Soundforge, and Adobe Audition, and they use a hell of a lot of resources when you're editing a large .wav file. My current 1Gb of RAM struggles with that, so would 2Gb be enough to make a significant difference? I suppose, with the other upgrades as well, it probably would.
Sorry, yes Overclockers were more, but I'd made a mistake, and it was only by about £16, not £50. Will try again with the bundle. ;)
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Right, with the bundle, it comes to £479.24 with Overclockers, and for the same with Scan, but with the 4Gb of RAM, it comes to £483.44, so if you look at in VFM terms, Scan wins.
Not sure if I need another copy of WinXP. Trouble is, if I use the my current license, I won't be able to use the old PC, and I wanted to take my time with this, and have them both running for a while, so as to transfer stuff from the old one. Or can I? I presume I could load XP onto the new machine, with the existing license, and it would be OK until I went online with it, by which time, I should have been able to transfer everything I need over. OTOH, I might be able to sell my old PC, even if just for the price of the new XP license, so it might be sensible to buy it again anyway.
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Yes, I did look at that one. I do use audio editing programs, such as Sony Soundforge, and Adobe Audition, and they use a hell of a lot of resources when you're editing a large .wav file. My current 1Gb of RAM struggles with that, so would 2Gb be enough to make a significant difference? I suppose, with the other upgrades as well, it probably would.
Sorry, yes Overclockers were more, but I'd made a mistake, and it was only by about £16, not £50. Will try again with the bundle. ;)
Well I would think with the addition of the Dual Core CPU and the faster 2GB Ram it would make a marked improvement. Saying that it might be worthwhile giving the Q6600 a second thought then. On your licensing dilemma I haven't the foggiest. I would think once you buy WinXP you could use it as many times on how many computers as you want, but i may be wrong. Well looks like this time round Scan wins. :P
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Simon I just did this (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/viewcart.php) for you. See what you think. Bearing in mind it's Q6600 and no WinXP.
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Simon I just did this (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/viewcart.php) for you. See what you think. Bearing in mind it's Q6600 and no WinXP.
Sorry, all I'm getting is my own basket. :-\
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Sorry, all I'm getting is my own basket. :-\
Dam could you trying clearing your basket if it has items in it? If that doesn't work I'll take a pic for you.
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It probably needs your cookie to remember the basket, Jester. I've cleared it, but now I just get an empty basket. :(
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OK here are the pics.
(https://www.pc-pals.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstevenraffan.www.idnet.com%2Fpictures%2Fprice1.JPG&hash=ba7c0d2f2b70fc8220735fa74b586d9a40f367fa)
(https://www.pc-pals.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstevenraffan.www.idnet.com%2Fpictures%2Fprice2.JPG&hash=479af386473feb4ce48ca1b90fb9528fbd551d86)
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Hmm... it's an interesting comparison, thanks, Steve. Not too sure about the OcUK 'Value' mobo though. I know it's cheaper, but I find you get what you pay for in most things, and I have to also admit to being a bit of a label snob. ;) No problem with the Asus DVD Writer, except that I'm a bit of a Sony fan (see: label snobbery!). I tend to go with what I know, and I have an Abit KG7 mobo in my current machine, which I built about five years ago, and is still going strong, so I was pleased to find another Abit that fitted the bill for the upgrade. I think I've got my heart set on that one now, and it ticks all the right boxes. I would have gone Intel all the way, had it not been for the lack of at least K/B PS2, so I think the Abit is a great second choice.
Still not sure about the RAM and CPU, and I believe that even with 4Gb of RAM, you only actually get to use 3Gb of it, due to limitations of something or other, but even 3Gb is better than 2Gb, and on that front, Scan was the better deal. Oh, and I've never heard of OCZ RAM either - are they also 'own brand'? Excuse my ignorance, if not - I haven't been in this market for a few years now! :blush:
Good threads, these. We had one when I was building my first PC, along with another member, Tony, and we had a great laugh along the way, as well as trials and tribulations, but were both very proud of our achievements at the end if it all.
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the question is does that first machine still work / is the thread still around...
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No problem Simon. I just thought I'd let you see the price difference with a few changes! (SNOB)!!! Only reason I put that Value mobo in there as I've used OcUK value items in the past and i never had a problem with them. OCZ RAM has a very good rep! Been on the go a long time now, well over 5 years I'd say! So what is the final shopping list you have decided on then?
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the question is does that first machine still work / is the thread still around...
Yes, that first machine is the one I'm sitting at writing this!
Can't find the original thread at the moment, but the follow up's quite a laugh!
http://www.pc-pals.com/smf/index.php?topic=5837.0
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No problem Simon. I just thought I'd let you see the price difference with a few changes! (SNOB)!!! Only reason I put that Value mobo in there as I've used OcUK value items in the past and i never had a problem with them. OCZ RAM has a very good rep! Been on the go a long time now, well over 5 years I'd say! So what is the final shopping list you have decided on then?
I haven't finally decided yet, but will sleep on it and probably take the plunge tomorrow. At the moment, it's the latest Scan list, with the Abit mobo, Intel E6550 and the 4Gb RAM... but it could still all change! ;D
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Good Good! You'll have to let me know what you finally get! It's nearly that time again for me to change a few things! :devil:
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Have a look through that thread I posted above, Steve - quite amusing!
Oh hell, here it is again: http://www.pc-pals.com/smf/index.php?topic=5837.60
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Tried to install W2K last night
lol.. what where you trying to put that machine through!!!
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:lol:
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Well, no point waiting, so ordered the Scan shopping list! Gulp!! :crazy: :leer:
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Well, no point waiting, so ordered the Scan shopping list! Gulp!! :crazy: :leer:
I'm sure it will all be fine Simon. Hopefully a lot smoother than the last one according to that thread!! :)x
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The Q6600 has 4 cores running at 2.40GHz and the E6750 has 2 cores running at 2.66GHz. So would the Q6600 not be the faster or does it not work like that?
The E6750 should be faster at a single task or doing two seperate ones than the Q6600 as each core is faster.
The only advantage the Q6600 would have would be if something comes out in the future than can utilise all 4 cores at once or if you run more than 2 CPU intensive apps at the same time.
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I'm surprised at some of those prices, we purchased the
E8400 for $231.00, which is 108.419 pounds. http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143290
Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R http://www.ebuyer.com/product/131173 about what we paid.
OCZ 4GB PC2-6400 800Mhz 240 pin DDR2 Vista Upgrade Edition, 2 x 2048MB, 5-6-6-18 From US ebay $116.54, 54.7073 GBP delivered
And we were going to get this DVD Burner, was highly recommended. http://www.cdfreaks.com/devices/DVD__RW/Samsung/SH-S203B.html
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I'm sure it will all be fine Simon. Hopefully a lot smoother than the last one according to that thread!! :)x
Oh, that would be no fun, Steve! ;D
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The E6750 should be faster at a single task or doing two seperate ones than the Q6600 as each core is faster.
The only advantage the Q6600 would have would be if something comes out in the future than can utilise all 4 cores at once or if you run more than 2 CPU intensive apps at the same time.
As I said above, the only really CPU intensive stuff I do is music editing, but obviously I don't try to do it at the same time as a full virus scan, so I think the E6750 will be fine, San. I also got the free delivery via AVF, so thanks for that tip off.
I'm not about much tomorrow, so asked for delivery on Thursday, but the case was from Ebuyer, so that may not arrive till Friday. Not much more I can do till then, except to start backing up everything I need off the old machine.
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I'm surprised at some of those prices, we purchased the
E8400 for $231.00, which is 108.419 pounds. http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143290
Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R http://www.ebuyer.com/product/131173 about what we paid.
OCZ 4GB PC2-6400 800Mhz 240 pin DDR2 Vista Upgrade Edition, 2 x 2048MB, 5-6-6-18 From US ebay $116.54, 54.7073 GBP delivered
And we were going to get this DVD Burner, was highly recommended. http://www.cdfreaks.com/devices/DVD__RW/Samsung/SH-S203B.html
Aussie prices are cheaper on a lot of things, Kate, so that doesn't surprise me. Your DVDs are about 25% cheaper than ours, on the whole, but of course, the shipping costs negate any savings we might make by importing them.
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Not much more I can do till then, except to start backing up everything I need off the old machine.
making multiples! I'm a proper geek about this, but you can never have enough backups.. trust me I've seen people lose years of research by not having good backups.
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Well, I'm not dismantling the old machine, so would still have it in an emergency. Luckily, I just bought a 250Gb external drive, which will make life a lot easier. :)
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making multiples! I'm a proper geek about this, but you can never have enough backups.. trust me I've seen people lose years of research by not having good backups.
You sound like me, Sam. :)
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you have to be cautious - but not like that bloody BT add.. "I lost the folder"... for f***s sake - its a directory and burn stuff to CD!!! Bit of a small rant there - I just saw it again and it winds me up!
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Yes, that one makes me laugh too. How could anyone be stupid enough to trust BT with their precious photos, and then be smug about it?!!
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Case arrived today! :danceban:
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So that's you offline for a while, then. ;)
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No, I'll need to be online for help when it all goes tits up! ;D
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Got the parts today, but won't be making a start till Sunday. One thing I forgot is thermal paste. There's no mention of it it the literature that came with the CPU. Is it still necessary to use it these days?
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Got the parts today, but won't be making a start till Sunday. One thing I forgot is thermal paste. There's no mention of it it the literature that came with the CPU. Is it still necessary to use it these days?
Yeah Simon it's still very necessary. I'm very surprised that you never got a small tube with your CPU or Motherboard as i always have done in the past.
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Ah, there may be, Steve, as I haven't unpacked everything completely yet, just made sure everything is there. :)
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Yeah you'll probably find a small tube somewhere. More likely with your cooler.
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Si,
The CPU will already be covered in a thin layer :thumbs: just peel off the film prior to assembly.
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Ahh, thanks Terry, I wouldn't have dreamt of looking for that, and it says nothing in the manual, but admittedly, it does give a web link for more info and instructions, which I haven't looked at yet.
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RTFM Si :o:
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If I get desparate, I may just have to! ;D
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Do you normally get a free tube? as we had to buy it separately.
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I have bought a tube, just in case, but if it's as Terry says, I won't need it. :)
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Do you normally get a free tube? as we had to buy it separately.
You usually do. I've always had a tube with either the CPU or motherboard.
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Trust me Si ;)
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Oh, I do! This is just in case they forgot. ;)
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You usually do. I've always had a tube with either the CPU or motherboard.
We bought a Intel E8400 and a new Gigabyte GA-EP35C-DS3R and no Thermal Paste??? And not with the Arctic Freezer Pro either.
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I dont think I have ever had a tube with either a CPU or a motherboard.
I have had some coolers that came with a small sachet of paste and some that had the film already applied to the cooler, which one of my friends scraped off thinking it was some kind of protective coating ::)
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I dont think I have ever had a tube with either a CPU or a motherboard.
I have had some coolers that came with a small sachet of paste and some that had the film already applied to the cooler, which one of my friends scraped off thinking it was some kind of protective coating ::)
lol. I've never had one turn up with paste...
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Stock heatsinks have a thermal pad on them out of the box so thermal paste is not needed,it makes it easier for the typical noob to install.
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Well, this scintillating 'do they or don't they' debate will be settled tomorrow, when I start putting it all together. ;D
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;D
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I think it's more coruscating than scintillating... ;D
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I dont think I have ever had a tube with either a CPU or a motherboard.
I have had some coolers that came with a small sachet of paste and some that had the film already applied to the cooler, which one of my friends scraped off thinking it was some kind of protective coating ::)
That's right, I've just remembered, the Arctic Freezer Pro 7's did come with a film of paste on them, seems like a lifetime ago. And no I didn't scrap it off. ;D
Stock heatsinks have a thermal pad on them out of the box so thermal paste is not needed,it makes it easier for the typical noob to install.
We managed quite well, but I don't know if I would consider myself a "noob", and I'm definitely not typical. :crazy:
Hope it goes well Simon. ;D
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Intel & AMD have to put thermal pads on their stock heatsinks, otherwise how many people would forget to use thermal paste.
Then cook their CPU's and try to claim warranty?
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Good point, Gmax. ;)
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Bloody hell!!! It's started already!!! The deliberate manufacturer's wind up, the misplacement of connectors, bleeding motherboard screws!!!
:aarrgh:
Right, mobo is in, CPU is on, Heatsink is on. Started to connect up wires, and the first one I find is an 8 pin power connector for the CPU. Only there's two. One is labelled P2, and white, the other is labelled P4 and black. Now, I thought (assumed) I would need P4, but that one won't fit, and only the white P2 connector does, even though they look identical, so I've had to use that.
Next thing... in the mobo instructions, it tells you to connect a 4 pin power connector to a socket towards the rear of the board, to power the USBs. OK, fine, but if I connect that, the other two power connectors won't reach the drives, so I won't have enough connectors for them!
:wtf:
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You will need a molex to molex extender cable Simon.
I would leave the USB disconnected until I have the pc up and running, if you havent got a spare molex to molex cable.
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Why can't they bloody provide one?? >:( That's what I'll have to do though, San. How annoying!!
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Where's Tony when you need him! ;D
Chuckle ;)
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I did PM him when I started the thread, but he either hasn't received or can't be arsed. ;D
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They dont know which case or PSU you are using Simon.
Asus are usually pretty good at having lots of cables in their mobos but maybe not so hot on molex ones.
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I'm not surprised, the "Coolermaster Extreme Power 550W" is the lower quality line of coolermaster psu's.
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Right, I give up! The graphics card has no power connector, and won't fit in the slot, because there's a bloody 1394 connector in the way, whatever the hell that is. Can you use an AGP graphics card in a PCI-E slot? Bet you can't, as that would be far too easy. :rant:
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1394 is Firewire, AGP into a PCI-E slot?, sorry thats a no go.
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Why doesn't it have a power connector, I remember we had trouble finding the power connection on Michael's new mobo.
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You don't need a power connector for that card.
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OK, Gmax, I'll give it a go without. It says in the book, it won't work without the power, but on the same page, it says, if you're not connecting the power lead, skip step 7! :dunno: Will the performance be compromised without dedicated power?
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According to this review no external power is needed for the card to work,
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Reviews/Specific.aspx?ArticleId=21515
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Right, well after removing the Firewire connector, I fired it up and got the post beep, so all seems to be sort of OK, but I haven't connected it up to a monitor yet, as I can't use the DVD drive to load anything, because the bloody power lead isn't long enough. Too late to get one now, so it will have to wait till tomorrow.
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Got a soldering iron, wire & heat shrink tubing? ;)
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NO!! ;D
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ah ok :)
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So our predictions were right then Simon. Nothing is ever simple when it comes to computers.
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Too right, Steve, and I've just realised something else I'm missing - a network card. Dohhh!!
I still can't believe that a case with enough drive compartments for 10 drives, comes with a PSU without enough power connectors, and leads that are too short to reach the drives!
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Are you sure the NIC isn't on the mobo, Simon?
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Too right, Steve, and I've just realised something else I'm missing - a network card. Dohhh!!
I still can't believe that a case with enough drive compartments for 10 drives, comes with a PSU without enough power connectors, and leads that are too short to reach the drives!
thats pretty common though, Si, bloody annoying too.. but it doesn't take too much effort adding cabling, just annoying. The thing is did the case come with the PSU in... if so then even more annoying!
and are you sure the network card isn't on board, as Rik says, pretty odd if not these days.
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Doesn't look like there's any networking on the mobo but I'll have another look later.
Yes, the PSU came installed in the case.
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As people are saying it will be unusual if you dont have onboard ethernet, in fact I thought it had gigabit LAN onboard when I looked at the mobo specs last week :dunno:
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Yes, sorry, been a bit busy and forgot to update this. It does have gigabit LAN. :)
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:)x :)x
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IT'S ALIVE!!!! :yeaah: :yeaah: :yeaah: :basil: :basil: :basil: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :danceban: :danceban: :danceban:
All fired up, and rearing to go! Just got the tedious job of transferring everything over from old PC now. :yawn: Have to say, it's bloody quick! :leer:
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YAY! :-D
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Not on it at the moment, because it's still infected with IE :ack: but just about to go and install some decent software. I even managed to partition a drive!! :woot:
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oh a joyous day! ... just be nice to it and don't thrash it too much too soon...
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I keep forgetting stuff and have to plug the old one back in to retrieve files! I'd forgotten how time consuming this all is!
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Never, EVER AGAIN am I building a new computer. I have spent the whole evening trying to transfer files from my old IDE hard drive (no OS, just storage), on to this new thing. First I tried using LAN, but neither were having any of it. Kept getting message that 'Home' couldn't do something, neither could see the other, and only having one monitor made the job that much bloody harder anyway, so I gave that up as a bad idea, and decided to physically swap the hard drive into the new PC. Simple, you would think? Was it bloody hell! First I had to remove the SATA connectors, to enable me to fit the hard drive in. In order to do this, I had to remove the floppy IDE cable. Even with pressing the release clip, yet another SATA connector came away from the mobo rendering it useless. This wasn't through being ham fisted, these things are just poorly fitted, and I've a good mind to complain to Abit about it.
Having eventually installed the hard drive, and put everything back together, I fired up the PC, and everything had slowed to a crawl. I mean, literally 10 minutes to boot into Windows and load the desktop. I thought it might have been a one off, dealing with the 'new' IDE drive, but rebooted, and the same thing happened. Checked in My Computer, and the IDE drive was listed, but I thought maybe I'd connected the wrong bit of the IDE cable, so swapped it for the secondary connection, rebooted, and Windows loaded like lightning, but the drive was nowhere to be seen. Maybe the jumpers are wrong? Of course, once the drive was in the case, I couldn't read the label to say where the jumpers should go, so had to dismantle everything again to get the f**king thing out to read the jumper instructions, of which there were 4 different sets. How am I supposed to know which ones to use? There are 4 different combinations for Cable Select, 4 different for Primary, 4 different for secondary, and I can't remember what the last one was. To add to this, the writing is so small, I can barely read it, and in fact, can't read what the four different sets of jumper combinations are actually called. OK, so might be time for en eye test, but even so, why is everything so complicated? In the end, I chose one of the Cable Select options, to be safe, and reinstalled the hard drive. Booted up, and no drive seen. Changed the jumpers three or four times, but still no drive seen. Changed to the secondary IDE connector, and still nothing, then I realised I had the sodding thing the wrong way round. :bawl: Connected the IDE correctly, rebooted, and again, everything at a crawl.
I've now given up completely, and am building a hatred for this computer bordering on the psychotic. I wish I'd never started it, and it will be very lucky if it doesn't get thrown down the stairs at some point in the very near future. I have wasted a whole evening and achieved nothing except some hardening of the arteries, and to put it mildly, am f**king furious!! >:(
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Dell work straight out the box and are probably cheaper than the cost of the bits too :thumbs:
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but not as much fun.
the thing is Si, the computer works.. and it seems to work really well, it just does not appear to like that disk. Now I'm sure we can sus this..
the first question is what did you try to sort out the LAN connection between the two, both machines are able to see each other through software firewalls? Can your laptop pick them up?
As for it being really slow with the disk in...could you actually see the disk though?
Another thought, probably not going to solve this issue but might be useful in the future - I do this sort of mounting of other peoples disks fairly often, so I bought an external disk chassis, really useful for this sort of thing. I know a bit pointless saying this now, but a thought it all fails - you can pick them up fairly cheaply.
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the first question is what did you try to sort out the LAN connection between the two, both machines are able to see each other through software firewalls? Can your laptop pick them up?
This is what I get when trying to view other computers on the network:
(https://www.pc-pals.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsi6776.www.idnet.com%2FImage1home.png&hash=718ae0bd5c71939d592a87e42048e7f2782bfff7)
This happens with both old and new PCs, so I'm guessing it must be something to do with the router, but I don't know what. The router sees both computers when connected by Ethernet.
As for it being really slow with the disk in...could you actually see the disk though?
Yes, but when it booted up properly, the disk couldn't be seen. That was because I had the IDE cable the wrong way round.
Another thought, probably not going to solve this issue but might be useful in the future - I do this sort of mounting of other peoples disks fairly often, so I bought an external disk chassis, really useful for this sort of thing. I know a bit pointless saying this now, but a thought it all fails - you can pick them up fairly cheaply.
It will be just as easy to do what I was going to do in the first place, and transfer everything to my external hard drive, then onto the new PC Might take a while, but at least it will work.
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Are you running Vista on the new build and XP home on the old PC Simon ?
Networking Vista to Vista is easy but I have had problems between Vista and XP home.
I dont mount a hard drive that I am transferring data from in the new PC, I just connect the cables and let it rest on the bottom of the case, sometimes in a small case it will lie flat but in bigger cases it may need to stand vertically, it doesnt need to fastened in or to be earthed for it to work.
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This happens with both old and new PCs, so I'm guessing it must be something to do with the router, but I don't know what. The router sees both computers when connected by Ethernet.
silly question but are both machines networked on home? Does the other machine had a shared directory? and are you sure about any software firewalls?
..but as you say the external disk might well be the quicker option, its what I would have done - but that's because I'm lazy!
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Are you running Vista on the new build and XP home on the old PC Simon ?
Networking Vista to Vista is easy but I have had problems between Vista and XP home.
I dont mount a hard drive that I am transferring data from in the new PC, I just connect the cables and let it rest on the bottom of the case, sometimes in a small case it will lie flat but in bigger cases it may need to stand vertically, it doesnt need to fastened in or to be earthed for it to work.
Both XP, Sandra. The only way I have managed to get any sort of networking to work in the past, is from the Vista laptop to the XP desktop. The Vista machine can see the shared files on the XP machine, but not vice versa. Still, that was manageable, and I don't use it a lot anyway. I've got a feeling this is something to do with the router, as the browser address for it is 192.168.1.254, or you can simply type in Home, which is what it's saying is not accessible. OTOH, both PCs appear in the router as online, so hell, I don't know.
silly question but are both machines networked on home? Does the other machine had a shared directory? and are you sure about any software firewalls?
..but as you say the external disk might well be the quicker option, its what I would have done - but that's because I'm lazy!
Yes, both computers are named Home - should they be different? Doesn't explain why I still can't get anywhere, and still get the error, even without the new PC connected.
Software firewalls? Hmmm.... you might have a point, and I could try fiddling with it, or removing it temporarily.
The trouble is, I have about 64Gb of files on the old drive that I want to transfer, so it will take an age, but I guess this is going to be the only way to do it.
Of course, if I could use the IDE drive, I could just leave it installed, and not have to bother with the copying.
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Both XP, Sandra. The only way I have managed to get any sort of networking to work in the past, is from the Vista laptop to the XP desktop. The Vista machine can see the shared files on the XP machine, but not vice versa. Still, that was manageable, and I don't use it a lot anyway. I've got a feeling this is something to do with the router, as the browser address for it is 192.168.1.254, or you can simply type in Home, which is what it's saying is not accessible. OTOH, both PCs appear in the router as online, so hell, I don't know.
but do they both has distinct IP addresses? is you router giving stating addresses or does it use DHCP?
Yes, both computers are named Home - should they be different?
it shouldn't matter, but if the other one was called something else then of course you would be looking in the wrong place.
Software firewalls? Hmmm.... you might have a point, and I could try fiddling with it, or removing it temporarily.
maybe there is a "safe/demilitarized" zone, or whatever your firewall calls it. Essentially you will need to give the other machine access.
Of course, if I could use the IDE drive, I could just leave it installed, and not have to bother with the copying.
but would you want to do that anyway?
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but do they both has distinct IP addresses? is you router giving stating addresses or does it use DHCP?
Yes, the router assigns designated IPs for each device in the network.
it shouldn't matter, but if the other one was called something else then of course you would be looking in the wrong place.
True.
maybe there is a "safe/demilitarized" zone, or whatever your firewall calls it. Essentially you will need to give the other machine access.
There is a Trusted Network Adapter drop down menu in the software firewall, and the network cards are listed there on each PC, but if you select to allow it, it screams that you are compromising security, and that everything will be allowed through that network, so I haven't enabled it, but perhaps should try.
but would you want to do that anyway?
Not ideally, but OTOH, why not? If it's just sitting there, it's not doing any harm.
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There is a Trusted Network Adapter drop down menu in the software firewall, and the network cards are listed there on each PC, but if you select to allow it, it screams that you are compromising security, and that everything will be allowed through that network, so I haven't enabled it, but perhaps should try.
hmmm, that should be fine but don't quote me on that... I'm not sure how it is working but you would have though it was just allowing the machines to talk to each other and nothing else. I wonder if you can do it without the external connection to the router, i.e. no net. I bet it will see the other machine then though.
Not ideally, but OTOH, why not? If it's just sitting there, it's not doing any harm.
true - I was just thinking you would lose the old desktop then.... just thinking in case anything else goes wrong!
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Simon.
When you go into "Network" on your working PC can you see your new pc?
If not then is the "workgroup name" and long number the same?
And i've often turned off DMZ just for a moment to eliminate the firewall side of things.
Sorry if thats been asked before but theres too much to read back through :devil:
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Sam, yes, netless sounds like a good idea to try it out. The IDE drive I'm trying to install is just storage, and leaves the main local drive on the old machine.
Cam, not sure which long number you mean, but they are both called 'HOME', and no, nothing is seen in network connections. :(
The repair shop wouldn't touch the broken SATA connectors, and recommended returning the mobo. :bawl:
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Sam, yes, netless sounds like a good idea to try it out. The IDE drive I'm trying to install is just storage, and leaves the main local drive on the old machine.
oh ok, but I do think giving the network a go like that would do the trick... well I would expect it would, then again this sort of thing never fails me using a good os. :devil:
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:shuddup:
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I think I may have rectified some of the network problems, by enabling the network card as Trusted through the software firewall, despite the warnings about it compromising security. I can now view the workgroups screen without the error message, but that's as far as I've got at this stage.
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It should be easy from there, Simon.
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That's what you said yesterday!! :bawl:
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I reckon Clive's managed to curse me, probably with the help of that welsh witch, for taking the p**s out of him when he was on his deathbed. ;D
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Can you still not see the shares?
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I haven't tried yet, Rik, and can't now till later this evening. There is a worry though, that by allowing the 'Trusted Network', I may be opening up the whole thing to allow everything. Without it enabled, I can't network, but with it enabled, the suggestion is that security is compromised. Not sure what to do really, but I think I'll disconnect from the web, and enable everything tonight, just to try to get these files across.
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I've never had this problem, but then I don't bother with a software firewall. It depends what is being defined as the network. If it's purely the LAN, you shouldn't have a security issue.
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That's what I'm not sure about. I've asked on Wilders, as they know more about specific brands. I'll have another quick play later, but I could do without another hardened artery.
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It's odd, because all I've ever done with a new machine is given it a name and assigned it to the workgroup.
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Do they have to have different names? I think both of mine are 'HOME'.
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That's the workgroup, which needs to be the same. Each machine should have a unique name, eg main, desktop, laptop.
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Yes, each computer has a unique name. I'll give it a shot later, or a kick if it won't work.
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I find a stern talking to works. :)
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That's the workgroup, which needs to be the same. Each machine should have a unique name, eg main, desktop, laptop.
they could be different workgroups, you would just have to navigate to a different directory.
And Si, seriously I'm pretty sure the software is only going on about the LAN and not the WAN. You will be safe!! :-D Anyway, doesn't your router have a firewall on that?
Oh and remember to have a shared directory...
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Right, finally I've got somewhere. I've managed to get both computers to see each other, by allowing the trusted network adapters, and making specific firewall rules. All up and running and files currently transferring. Bit difficult keep having to swapping keyboard, mouse and monitor from one machine to the other, but at least it's doing what I want now.
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yay! ... you need a KVM is you are going to do that often, really worth it.
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Good to hear all is well Simon. That must be a relief! :D
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Woo Hoo!! Bet your regretting this build..
I'm about to order my parts next week so that should be fun!! Though I only need a new mobo, memory and case. My transition should be smoother....I hope ':|!!
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Good to hear all is well Simon. That must be a relief! :D
A relief?? It's a bleeding miracle!! ;D
Woo Hoo!! Bet your regretting this build..
I'm about to order my parts next week so that should be fun!! Though I only need a new mobo, memory and case. My transition should be smoother....I hope ':|!!
Let me know if you need any help, Steve! :devil:
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Well, at long last, I'm writing this on the new PC! :woo:
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:solved:
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:welldone:
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Just one little annoyance at the moment. I have an external USB hard drive, which I have been using to transfer files across. If I start or reboot the PC with the EHD still switched on, the computer won't start, and won't even reach the Windows screen, until I switch off the EHD and restart again. This didn't happen with the old PC, and I'm guessing it's a BIOS setting, but can anyone help?
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Depends if theres an option for switching it off in the bios Simon.
I was looking at a pc yesterday that was doing the same, I couldnt find anywhere in the bios to stop it looking at the external drive before windows had loaded and if connected it would try and boot off it :dunno:
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Just one little annoyance at the moment. I have an external USB hard drive, which I have been using to transfer files across. If I start or reboot the PC with the EHD still switched on, the computer won't start, and won't even reach the Windows screen, until I switch off the EHD and restart again. This didn't happen with the old PC, and I'm guessing it's a BIOS setting, but can anyone help?
Don't bother with USB external hard drives, they are so slow! get a External eSATA Hard Drive Enclosure ,the speed will be similar to your internal hard drive.
You wont have any boot up problems either :)
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Don't bother with USB external hard drives, they are so slow! get a External eSATA Hard Drive Enclosure ,the speed will be similar to your internal hard drive.
I don't agree with you there - I've got about 3 TB of external disks and they all run fairly speedily, though it probably helps that they are formatted to either EXT3 or NTFS.
Also I think Si isn't really intending to use it for too much apart from transferring files, are ya?
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Don't bother with USB external hard drives, they are so slow! get a External eSATA Hard Drive Enclosure ,the speed will be similar to your internal hard drive.
You wont have any boot up problems either :)
Gmax, can the eSata be be hot jumped? at the moment I have a Aerocool multi card reader/temp/fan control with sata sockets all wired up?
PS well done Si, are you sure the pins are correctly wired? does the USB work at all ?? I had a simular problem a while back and the pins that were jumpered, there was an extra ground pin that when disconected enabled the system to boot properly?
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Thanks Guys,
I do use the external drive, but only for storage usually, so it's not a huge issue. It's just that, at the moment, I am using it to transfer stuff, hence the annoyance.
Terry, I'm pretty sure the USB connectors can only go one way on, so I wouldn't think it's that but I'll check.
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Yes you can hot-swap eSATA
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I don't agree with you there - I've got about 3 TB of external disks and they all run fairly speedily, though it probably helps that they are formatted to either EXT3 or NTFS.
Also I think Si isn't really intending to use it for too much apart from transferring files, are ya?
I don't agree with you there - I've got about 3 TB of external disks and they all run fairly speedily, though it probably helps that they are formatted to either EXT3 or NTFS.
Also I think Si isn't really intending to use it for too much apart from transferring files, are ya?
I've got about 3 TB of external disks and they all run fairly speedily
You might think they run fast, but if they were "eSata" they would be at least twice as fast! have you ever used eSata?
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yes... though faster it wasn't too noticeable on the day to day use, however that could just been the disk - I've only ever used one. Also its not really worth me changing all my disks to this and you lost the ability to walk to any machine in my group and plugging it in without any hassle (not that I do that often, normally just mount via ssh). I'm also not sure how compatible it is with linux machines, but I haven't really investigated.
I found this:
"The main advantage of eSATA compaired with USB 2.0 is the maximal rate of data transfer of the interface.
eSATA theoretically enables 1500 MBit/s, whereas USB 2.0 does only reach 480 MBit/s. In practice USB 2.0 reaches maximal 30 MByte/s. That though does slow down the 3,5-inch-hard disk drive dramatically. On the other hand, with eSATA, during usage, eSATA reaches 150 MByte/s or even more. Furthermore, SATA does stress/strain/burden the processor much less than USB does."
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I use a COOLER MASTER X CRAFT 3.5" ESATA USB2 ENCLOSUE ,
has eSata and USB interface, so no problem using it with any pc,
http://www.i-tech.com.au/products/6402_COOLER_MASTER_X_CRAFT_3_5__ESATA_USB2.aspx
Its faster than my internal IDE hard drive.
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Gmax, is that running with Vista?
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TR, Thats with XP
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Ok Cheers ;) Gmax
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I did PM him when I started the thread, but he either hasn't received or can't be arsed. ;D
Now that's not fair Bro, I would not have missed this for the world if I had known, ;D You should have emailed me :o:
Anyway your sorted now well done, I'm proud of you ::)
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Only had your forum registered email, mate, and assumed PM would reach you. :)
Anyway, all done and dusted now, but due to the disaster with the SATA connectors, I'm thinking of replacing the mobo when I get some spare time. :o