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Technical Help & Discussion => Self Building, Upgrading & General Hardware Help => Topic started by: David on August 08, 2008, 12:56
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Im begining my shopping list for my build and almost fallen at the first fence.the Q6600 £113 having read a few reviews this looks good but the heatsink seems not to be man enough for the job.any suggestions.I dont want a fry up before I start.if as some are stating this runs a little warm should I be afraid of this bundle I really need a tried and tested surely..although this one seems to tick the boxes for me, ???
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Assuming you're not going to be over clocking it, David, I would have thought the heatsink to be adequate enough, or Intel would be receiving fried CPUs back by the dozen. I have the Dual Core version, and the heat sink supplied with mine seems fine, but don't take my word for it, hang on for other opinions.
Out of curiosity, where did you read that the supplied heatsink is inadequate?
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dabs Simon.the reviews are glowing and I was tempted, ???
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So, what's stopping you? I really don't think they would ship a high quality CPU with a crap heatsink.
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Thank you Simon.......now looking at a motherboard......I wont ask what you think though :devil: (like hell he wont) ;)
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Something that doesn't break easily! ;D
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Just bear in mind, some of them don't have PS/2 mouse / keyboard connectors, just USB.
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Something that doesn't break easily! ;D
Or hire someone with a gentle touch to install it! ;D
Plenty of those Q6600 CPU's over here for about $150, used but good as new.
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Something that doesn't break easily! ;D
There would be no fun in this would there Simon ;D
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Just bear in mind, some of them don't have PS/2 mouse / keyboard connectors, just USB.
Im working this one out,is there no adaptors which over ride this surely I would only want PS/2 mouse to set up first time (dont go confusing me Simon) :-X
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Or hire someone with a gentle touch to install it! ;D
Plenty of those Q6600 CPU's over here for about $150, used but good as new.
I will tap it very gently with my hammer it will be fine ;)
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Im working this one out,is there no adaptors which over ride this surely I would only want PS/2 mouse to set up first time (dont go confusing me Simon) :-X
modern motherboards *should* pick up usb mice.
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P35-DS3L looking at this,I had expected (or expect to pay more to be honest) but this looks to be up to the job,(not that I have any idea what Im on about) :)x
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Not sure how much you want to spend, but is this worth a look?
Asustek S775 Intel P35 PCI-E ATX (http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=4LLR&CategorySelectedId=11143)
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Oh, the thing with the PS/2 connectors? Most have one for the keyboard, which is probably the most vital, as sometimes you can't, for example, get into safe mode with a USB keyboard, if it doesn't load the drivers quick enough. I use USB for both, but have the PS/2 option, which I have never needed so far.
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Not sure how much you want to spend, but is this worth a look?
Asustek S775 Intel P35 PCI-E ATX (http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=4LLR&CategorySelectedId=11143)
Your uncanny Simon I was just reading this when you posted and had bookmarked the page even...spooky ? the price is around the right mark...limit around £120 so well within budget...
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OK so we have sorted these two will my brand new and yet unused 450 psu be good enough I dont want to get another do I ? ;)
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I'm guessing it would be adequate, David, but with little headroom. What sort of graphics card are you looking at?
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Have not got that far but on the case now.... :)
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One thing I would suggest, is try to get everything in one go from the same retailer, so as to save on delivery costs.
Also, when you've got a complete basket, go somewhere else, say Scan or Ebuyer, create an identical basket and compare the total cost. I saved about £30 by switching to Scan from Ebuyer.
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I must have learned something from all these posts here,thats what I am doing Simon,making a list then when I have one which will all work together then buy from the same place.so far so good ;) also listing the prices to compere.my rationale is that when I blow the thing up it will be cheaper ;D
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Got a case yet?
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Nope looked at one I like but have to ensure dimensions as the psu is long when compared with the other machine .the psu was almost rubbing against the CD drive .
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Just a thought, but many cases come with a fitted PSU. Mine is a 550w (I think - it'll be in the thread) and with the case, came to something like £50. I know that will leave you with a spare PSU, but it's quite cost effective to buy them both together, and you won't have the worry of whether it fits.
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This is the case I bought, David:
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/141707
Unfortunately, it's gone up in price since, but it's still not bad value, considering the PSU is included, and you can get free delivery, so it wouldn't be a disadvantage to buy separately. :)
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Looks good Simon and as the psu is included not eye watering so its on my list :cheers:
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Only thing I would say is, get some Molex extenders, as the leads from the PSU are not that long, so extenders will prevent having leads stretching across the motherboard. Molex connectors are the four pin connectors to power the drives.
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With you here Simon thats the 4 tube like ends this spare psu has 6 I think
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Sounds about right, David. You might not need them, but they shouldn't be more than a couple of quid each, and it's nice to be prepared. By the way, that case also has screwless drive fitting, which makes things nice and easy.
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Spend the extra 5 pounds on a new heatsink.
The last two dual core processors i bought came with really s**tty heatsinks. They had 4 push pens that clipped to the other side of the motherboard when pushed down hard enough. The problem with that is if you don't hear the click of the clip you aren't sure whether or not its actually gone through all the way. I was afraid of breaking the hardware pushing down on the things. Now i did make sure the temperature was stable after I finished, but still that design made me nervous as hell.
There is a major risk of chipping the processor or breaking your motherboard when pushing down too hard. I liked the old socket A heatsink clips a hell of a lot more.
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Have to say, now Reno's mentioned it, I was nervous of those push down clips, but didn't have a problem installing it, and it's been OK since. Guess I was lucky? :-\
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In a cluttered case ,fastening those clips is frustrating ,never broken anything yet but it is a stupid design.
Some of the ram clips are terribly flimsy, busted a few of those over the years.
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You have to be careful with SATA connectors too! :o:
I actually find it easier to fit the CPU and heatsink, before installing the motherboard into the case.
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Have to say, now Reno's mentioned it, I was nervous of those push down clips, but didn't have a problem installing it, and it's been OK since. Guess I was lucky? :-\
:woot: :woot: Major rethink time ;D
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So, what's stopping you? I really don't think they would ship a high quality CPU with a crap heatsink.
Possibly ;D
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Spend the extra 5 pounds on a new heatsink.
The last two dual core processors i bought came with really s**tty heatsinks. They had 4 push pens that clipped to the other side of the motherboard when pushed down hard enough. The problem with that is if you don't hear the click of the clip you aren't sure whether or not its actually gone through all the way. I was afraid of breaking the hardware pushing down on the things. Now i did make sure the temperature was stable after I finished, but still that design made me nervous as hell.
There is a major risk of chipping the processor or breaking your motherboard when pushing down too hard. I liked the old socket A heatsink clips a hell of a lot more.
Now Im nevous :o :o
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In a cluttered case ,fastening those clips is frustrating ,never broken anything yet but it is a stupid design.
Some of the ram clips are terribly flimsy, busted a few of those over the years.
By the looks of this its going to be a fun thread this ;D
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Yes, it is a poor design from the view of installing it, but if you're careful, it shouldn't be a problem, and once it's fitted, it's fitted, David. If you're going to look for another heatsink / fan, make sure it's Intel compatible, as I don't think the Athlon type will fit.
Oh yes, PC building is fun, and no matter how smoothly you think things are going, there's always a spanner just waiting to be thrown into the works! ;D
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And I have not even got the works but a giant spanner just landed on my desk........ ;D
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So, are we back to the drawing board?
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And I have not even got the works but a giant spanner just landed on my desk........ ;D
"Nothing ventured, nothing gained" now get on with!! ;D
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I dont really understand Renos comment. :-\
The socket 775 fitting still uses the same 4 push in plastic peg design, even on 3rd party Intel style heatsinks :dunno:
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And heres me getting very nervous
now,been looking at some others :dunno:
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I dont really understand Renos comment. :-\
The socket 775 fitting still uses the same 4 push in plastic peg design, even on 3rd party Intel style heatsinks :dunno:
What don't you understand sandra? I think the 4 push peg design is a poor design. I was afraid of damaging the hardware the last two times I had to deal with it. They use to use this design on the pentium IIIs back in the day. I hated them then too. I miss the old zif like the socket A used. Just put the processor in, pull down the lever, and clip on the heatsink. With the push pin design, if you don't hear the click of the peg then you aren't sure whether its gone in all the way.
Edit: Your right about the third party heatsinks. For this socket they have to use those push peg holes to hold it down. The third party heatsinks tend to be better designed to cool a bit better and be easier to install. Better spring clips and such. The few i found weren't made out of plastic hence you would probably hear a ping or click when you stuff them through the peg hole.
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The big advantage with third party heatsinks that use 120mm fans is their so quiet :thumbs:.
Smaller the fan the more noise they produce.
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And heres me getting very nervous now, been looking at some others :dunno:
I really don't think they would ship a high quality CPU with a crap heatsink.
Not to be argumentative, but I still think the supplied heatsink is perfectly adequate for the job, or they wouldn't supply it. Mine is not overly noisy either, in fact, compared to my old PC, I hardly notice it's on most of the time! I actually think the case fans make more noise than the CPU fan. :)
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This is probably way beyond your requirements, David, but there's a good offer on a graphics card here:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-071-OK
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I think I would be better off with this type of thing Simon as I dont want to have to upgrade the ting once its built.price is good,and the realbonus coud be that monitor I was looking at a Samsung yesterday but the one Im looking at has a DVI and as this pc has thi I would be mad not to use it......I think :crazy:
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Most graphics cards have DVI now, David. That one appears to be HD ready as well! I was just a bit concerned, reading some of the comments in the reviews, about it possibly requiring a secondary heatsink, but unless you're going to be using it for graphics intensive games, it may not be a problem for you. Have to say, at that price, I would probably have bought it for myself, had I needed to upgrade.
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No Simon you know me I have no interest in games I am making a list of what I require,so I can build what I want to my needs and not get a load of so called "Free" stuff which I will never use.
I want speed
I would use it for minimal web browsing,Email and word processing.
I would like to build it so it is capable for use for photos and may be video editing
Music if its possible would like a good sound but it has not got to be any better than I have at present so it isnt a demanding list.
I would like it to be upgradeable for future developments saving me from having to build again so the motherboard etc would need to be (not old stuff which is likely to be incapable of new things) if this makes sense.
Im off to take a look around Maplins in a while to get an idea and allow me to see the stuff rather than pics,They have a lot of stock in cabinets which will give me an idea of scale of things.
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I don't think any of the components we have discussed so far are overly extravagant, David. OTOH, if you're looking at mid-high range, you don't want to possibly risk holding the system back by using one or more weaker components, so a good graphics card is probably one of the more essential purchases. :)
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:cheers: Simon
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http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=224112&C=Newsletter&U=08P09-4&T=13018020
Opinions please................Im still looking ;)
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It's a very cheap looking motherboard - see here (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/Socket+775+(Intel)/ASUS+P5N-MX+NF610i+Socket+775+Motherboard+?productId=30511). Not sure I'd go for that, David.
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Thanks Simon...just going to have a good read .
Just registered they seem to have some good value products here......not that Im into electronic stuff :o: