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Technical Help & Discussion => General Tech Discussion, News & Q&A => Topic started by: sam on November 27, 2009, 23:22
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http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/11/27/077245/30000-UK-ISP-Users-Face-Threat-Letters-For-Suspected-Illegal-File-Sharing?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+(Slashdot)
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:nerves: Although, I knew there was an advantage to being a leech. ;)
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It's noted that 25,000 of the IP addresses that have been collected belong to BT users.
There's a moral here.
I should imagine it's also an advantage for people who use file sharing services to have a dynamic IP address? Rik?
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If you are downloading or uploading from something like Bit Torrents then the IP will be the same for the duration of your transfers Gill, so if someone is monitorin the traffic and IP addresses at the time then they will have a record of your IP regradless of whether it is static or dynamic. They can then cross check with the ISP as to who was using that particular IP at the time they checked it.
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Im glad I cant even spell P2P lol
what are they gonna do about the ones that are not in the UK lol
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Exactly.
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The Entertainment Industry is a Leech itself with the high prices charged for everything, they are leeching the Publics cash. First of all they charge exhorbitant prices to buy the albums, and then the manufacturers who make the players etc are constantly upgrading systems etc making people buy new gear. The same applies to the DVD producers. Most of the companys making players have a large stake in the film and music industry as well; the likes of Sony. No wonder folks have the urge to get music and films on the cheap.
They cry that "We are not making money!" Ive just read that Simon Cowell is making 10 Million pounds from the X Factor tour alone, apart from the TV rights, and the finalists are making £55,000 each; whats this all about if no one is making money?
Its the same old story with entertainment, and that is greed. Greed killed the small theatres around our Seaside Towns with TV Stars charging fees out of proportion to their talent. The artistes of today are crap when compared to the stars of yesterday, but charge and expect to get fees that are out of this World, giving rubbish value for money.
:grrr:
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I agree with a lot of that, DG. The amount people earn from having no talent these days, is obscene.
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I should imagine it's also an advantage for people who use file sharing services to have a dynamic IP address? Rik?
What Sandra said, Gill. At any time, an ISP has a record of the IP you are using. If they want to, then can also say what site you were on at the time.
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I agree with a lot of that, DG. The amount people earn from having no talent these days, is obscene.
Yeah, most of the current Liverpool footy team earn in excess of £50000 a week. ;D
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What Sandra said, Gill. At any time, an ISP has a record of the IP you are using. If they want to, then can also say what site you were on at the time.
AAMOI, how far do those records go back, Rik? I was just thinking, if someone has a dynamic IP, presumably, at some point, someone else would have had that same IP, and if they had been using it for 'naughty' purposes, could that come back on the current 'owner' of the IP?
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No, because the IP address is logged to the user for any given time or date. What dynamic IPs can produce is more attacks, because previously they've found an open machine there.
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Ah, right. Simples! :)
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No hiding place, in summary. :)
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Thanks for clarifying that, everyone.
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More on this here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8381097.stm
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If I got a letter Id go to Court and face the b*****ds.
:bartmoon:
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The risk, for any of us, is the legal bill. :(
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What will happen to pubs etc. who offer free Wireless internet? I live right in the shopping precinct in Chorley town centre and, although I have my own connection, I can freely connect to the Cafe Bar's WiFi, Subway's WiFi and another which I haven't yet managed to locate the exact whereabouts of, from anywhere in my flat. I don't watch many movies and I am not into games but, if I was, I could download 24/7 at not cost at all to myself. ;D
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I think it will spell the end of free wifi, the risks will be too high to the provider, unless they institute their own traffic monitoring.
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I think it will spell the end of free wifi, the risks will be too high to the provider, unless they institute their own traffic monitoring.
I don't think so rik. All they would need to do is force the users to sign a contract on sign up removing the stores liability. It would then be up to whoever was looking to uncover the person doing the crime. The coffee shop wouldn't need secure logins they would only require the flash of an id or clubcard or whatever. Anonymity is the main perk of an internet café.
Besides, if the powers that be think this sort of approach will end piracy they are fooling themselves. There are millions of people on at any one time sharing files. They would need the power and resources to monitor each file passing over the networks. That includes files that are encrypted or have had their extensions changed. It would require a system more intrusive then that of communist china. It would literally be an end to private data. I don't think the UK has gotten that bad just yet.
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I don't think so rik. All they would need to do is force the users to sign a contract on sign up removing the stores liability. It would then be up to whoever was looking to uncover the person doing the crime. The coffee shop wouldn't need secure logins they would only require the flash of an id or clubcard or whatever. Anonymity is the main perk of an internet café.
They'd also have to log the MAC of every machine, and ensure it wasn't spoofed, surely? Otherwise, the lawyers would argue that in the absence of being able to prove innocence, you're guilty. I know the justice system is meant to work the other way round, but there are times when, in the UK at least, it doesn't.
It would literally be an end to private data. I don't think the UK has gotten that bad just yet.
Trust me, our lot are working hard towards that goal. :(
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File sharers will soon find a way round any method used to stop them. It's just a game of cat and mouse.
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File sharers will soon find a way round any method used to stop them. It's just a game of cat and mouse.
yeah, such a waste of effort.
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The politicians have to look like their doing something. :-\
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I wonder who is actually paying the costs of fighting this? If it's the music industry, it could be arguable that it's costing them more than it's worth.
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it'll be us. I bet. We are paying for ourselves to be caught... hmmm
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Britain at it's best! :thumbs:
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I should imagine Mandelson is going to fund it with the broadband tax which the government will introduce in this session of Parliament.
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Of course! :woot:
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The courts will place the burden on the ISPs, their costs will rise, so will our bills.
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:hny:
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Indeed. :(
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The 21st century - oh what a brave new world we live in... shame its all run by the same fools.
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Or their inbred offspring.
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It's not going to get any better, is it? :-\
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Not in my lifetime, probably not in yours - but I'll come back and haunt you to find out. :devil:
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:nerves: ;D
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Not in my lifetime, probably not in yours - but I'll come back and haunt you to find out. :devil:
oh no!