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General Discussion => Science & Nature => Topic started by: sam on March 14, 2010, 20:36

Title: Saturn Moon Has Surprisingly "Slushy" Insides
Post by: sam on March 14, 2010, 20:36
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/03/100311-saturn-moon-titan-core-water-ocean/

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Saturn's largest moon, Titan, is perhaps best know for its unique, hazy atmosphere and lakes of liquid methane.

But a new look at Titan's insides reveals even more oddities: Beneath the brittle crust of ice lies a layer of slush. Deeper still is an underground ocean over a solid core of rock and ice.
Title: Re: Saturn Moon Has Surprisingly "Slushy" Insides
Post by: Clive on March 14, 2010, 22:48
Titan and Jupiter's Europa are the two most exciting moons in the solar system.  The Chinese, Indians and Iranians will undoubtedly be sending probes during the next couple of decades.   
Title: Re: Saturn Moon Has Surprisingly "Slushy" Insides
Post by: sam on March 14, 2010, 23:38
hopefully with a made in the EU stamps on the instruments.
Title: Re: Saturn Moon Has Surprisingly "Slushy" Insides
Post by: Clive on March 15, 2010, 08:59
China, India and Iran are joining the EU?   :dunno:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Saturn Moon Has Surprisingly "Slushy" Insides
Post by: sam on March 15, 2010, 14:20
if only. lol. No I meant they build the rockets with put the instruments on there.
Title: Re: Saturn Moon Has Surprisingly "Slushy" Insides
Post by: Clive on March 15, 2010, 19:34
We build a lot of space instruments in the UK to be fair.  Thee is even a possibility that the mirrors for the EXTREMELY LARGE TELESCOPE (http://www.eso.org/public/teles-instr/e-elt/index.html) will be manufactured built in north Wales.  42 metres!!  We used to think the Kecks were big! 
Title: Re: Saturn Moon Has Surprisingly "Slushy" Insides
Post by: Simon on March 15, 2010, 21:45
That's big!  :)
Title: Re: Saturn Moon Has Surprisingly "Slushy" Insides
Post by: Clive on March 15, 2010, 22:01
The famous Palomar telescope was just 5 metres in diameter.  A friend of mine used to use it regularly and actually observe through the eyepiece. 
Title: Re: Saturn Moon Has Surprisingly "Slushy" Insides
Post by: sam on March 16, 2010, 01:36
not as good as the Overwhelming Large Telescope - http://www.eso.org/sci/facilities/eelt/owl/

or indeed what I work on the SKA :-) but that's different of course.

That's cool about Palomar!
Title: Re: Saturn Moon Has Surprisingly "Slushy" Insides
Post by: Clive on March 16, 2010, 08:26
You've met that person Sam.  Roger Griffin from Cambridge University.  The staff who actually operated the telescope had never been asked for an eyepiece before because the astronomers usually wanted photographic plates which the staff themselves took.  The astronomers would come in the following day to take the photos away for study.  Roger, who was allocated use of the telescope for one week every year for 14 years actually stayed there all night with his eye glued to the eyepiece. 
Title: Re: Saturn Moon Has Surprisingly "Slushy" Insides
Post by: Rik on March 16, 2010, 11:28
What a nasty trick to play on him. ;)
Title: Re: Saturn Moon Has Surprisingly "Slushy" Insides
Post by: sam on March 16, 2010, 13:29
You've met that person Sam.  Roger Griffin from Cambridge University.  The staff who actually operated the telescope had never been asked for an eyepiece before because the astronomers usually wanted photographic plates which the staff themselves took.  The astronomers would come in the following day to take the photos away for study.  Roger, who was allocated use of the telescope for one week every year for 14 years actually stayed there all night with his eye glued to the eyepiece. 

I thought it must have been him. Cool.. but I'd argue not repeatable science. I understand the eye is a great instrument but still...
Title: Re: Saturn Moon Has Surprisingly "Slushy" Insides
Post by: Clive on March 16, 2010, 16:01
He carried out spectroscopic radial velocities to search for binary stars at the same time so it wasn't all gratuitous.   ;D  Incidentally, his colleague was LYMAN SPITZER (http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/about/spitzer.shtml) after whom they named the Spitzer Infrared Space Telescope.  The used to go mountaineering together in the Alps every summer until just before his death in 1997.  He was 84 but Roger is now 74 and climbed both Cotopaxi  and Kilimanjaro after he turned 70.  It's as much as I can do to climb the hill leading to my house.    :)x  Astronomers are tough cookies. 
Title: Re: Saturn Moon Has Surprisingly "Slushy" Insides
Post by: sam on March 17, 2010, 03:03
indeed they are... and they never seem to know when to stop working.