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Re: Thinking of a new build...
« Reply #120 on: April 21, 2008, 21:58 »
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Re: Thinking of a new build...
« Reply #121 on: April 21, 2008, 22:01 »
Not on it at the moment, because it's still infected with IE  :ack:  but just about to go and install some decent software.  I even managed to partition a drive!!   :woot:
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Re: Thinking of a new build...
« Reply #122 on: April 21, 2008, 22:03 »
oh a joyous day! ... just be nice to it and don't thrash it too much too soon...
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Re: Thinking of a new build...
« Reply #123 on: April 21, 2008, 23:34 »
I keep forgetting stuff and have to plug the old one back in to retrieve files!  I'd forgotten how time consuming this all is!
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Re: Thinking of a new build...
« Reply #124 on: April 22, 2008, 23:15 »
Never, EVER AGAIN am I building a new computer.  I have spent the whole evening trying to transfer files from my old IDE hard drive (no OS, just storage), on to this new thing.  First I tried using LAN, but neither were having any of it.  Kept getting message that 'Home' couldn't do something, neither could see the other, and only having one monitor made the job that much bloody harder anyway, so I gave that up as a bad idea, and decided to physically swap the hard drive into the new PC.  Simple, you would think?  Was it bloody hell!  First I had to remove the SATA connectors, to enable me to fit the hard drive in.  In order to do this, I had to remove the floppy IDE cable.  Even with pressing the release clip, yet another SATA connector came away from the mobo rendering it useless.  This wasn't through being ham fisted, these things are just poorly fitted, and I've a good mind to complain to Abit about it.

Having eventually installed the hard drive, and put everything back together, I fired up the PC, and everything had slowed to a crawl.  I mean, literally 10 minutes to boot into Windows and load the desktop.  I thought it might have been a one off, dealing with the 'new' IDE drive, but rebooted, and the same thing happened.   Checked in My Computer, and the IDE drive was listed, but I thought maybe I'd connected the wrong bit of the IDE cable, so swapped it for the secondary connection, rebooted, and Windows loaded like lightning, but the drive was nowhere to be seen.  Maybe the jumpers are wrong?  Of course, once the drive was in the case, I couldn't read the label to say where the jumpers should go, so had to dismantle everything again to get the f**king thing out to read the jumper instructions, of which there were 4 different sets.  How am I supposed to know which ones to use?  There are 4 different combinations for Cable Select, 4 different for Primary, 4 different for secondary, and I can't remember what the last one was.  To add to this, the writing is so small, I can barely read it, and in fact, can't read what the four different sets of jumper combinations are actually called.  OK, so might be time for en eye test, but even so, why is everything so complicated?  In the end, I chose one of the Cable Select options, to be safe, and reinstalled the hard drive.  Booted up, and no drive seen.  Changed the jumpers three or four times, but still no drive seen.  Changed to the secondary IDE connector, and still nothing, then I realised I had the sodding thing the wrong way round.  :bawl:  Connected the IDE correctly, rebooted, and again, everything at a crawl.

I've now given up completely, and am building a hatred for this computer bordering on the psychotic.  I wish I'd never started it, and it will be very lucky if it doesn't get thrown down the stairs at some point in the very near future.  I have wasted a whole evening and achieved nothing except some hardening of the arteries, and to put it mildly, am f**king furious!!   >:(
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Re: Thinking of a new build...
« Reply #125 on: April 22, 2008, 23:25 »
Dell work straight out the box and are probably cheaper than the cost of the bits too  :thumbs:

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Re: Thinking of a new build...
« Reply #126 on: April 22, 2008, 23:30 »
but not as much fun.

the thing is Si, the computer works.. and it seems to work really well, it just does not appear to like that disk. Now I'm sure we can sus this..

the first question is what did you try to sort out the LAN connection between the two, both machines are able to see each other through software firewalls? Can your laptop pick them up?

As for it being really slow with the disk in...could you actually see the disk though?

Another thought, probably not going to solve this issue but might be useful in the future - I do this sort of mounting of other peoples disks fairly often, so I bought an external disk chassis, really useful for this sort of thing. I know a bit pointless saying this now, but a thought it all fails - you can pick them up fairly cheaply.
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Re: Thinking of a new build...
« Reply #127 on: April 22, 2008, 23:48 »
the first question is what did you try to sort out the LAN connection between the two, both machines are able to see each other through software firewalls? Can your laptop pick them up?

This is what I get when trying to view other computers on the network:



This happens with both old and new PCs, so I'm guessing it must be something to do with the router, but I don't know what.  The router sees both computers when connected by Ethernet.

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As for it being really slow with the disk in...could you actually see the disk though?

Yes, but when it booted up properly, the disk couldn't be seen.  That was because I had the IDE cable the wrong way round.

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Another thought, probably not going to solve this issue but might be useful in the future - I do this sort of mounting of other peoples disks fairly often, so I bought an external disk chassis, really useful for this sort of thing. I know a bit pointless saying this now, but a thought it all fails - you can pick them up fairly cheaply.

It will be just as easy to do what I was going to do in the first place, and transfer everything to my external hard drive, then onto the new PC  Might take a while, but at least it will work.

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Re: Thinking of a new build...
« Reply #128 on: April 23, 2008, 00:35 »
Are you running Vista on the new build and XP home on the old PC Simon ?

Networking Vista to Vista is easy but I have had problems between Vista and XP home.

I dont mount a hard drive that I am transferring data from in the new PC, I just connect the cables and let it rest on the bottom of the case, sometimes in a small case it will lie flat but in bigger cases it may need to stand vertically, it doesnt need to fastened in or to be earthed for it to work.

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Re: Thinking of a new build...
« Reply #129 on: April 23, 2008, 07:12 »
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This happens with both old and new PCs, so I'm guessing it must be something to do with the router, but I don't know what.  The router sees both computers when connected by Ethernet.

silly question but are both machines networked on home? Does the other machine had a shared directory? and are you sure about any software firewalls?

..but as you say the external disk might well be the quicker option, its what I would have done - but that's because I'm lazy!
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Re: Thinking of a new build...
« Reply #130 on: April 23, 2008, 08:04 »
Are you running Vista on the new build and XP home on the old PC Simon ?

Networking Vista to Vista is easy but I have had problems between Vista and XP home.

I dont mount a hard drive that I am transferring data from in the new PC, I just connect the cables and let it rest on the bottom of the case, sometimes in a small case it will lie flat but in bigger cases it may need to stand vertically, it doesnt need to fastened in or to be earthed for it to work.

Both XP, Sandra.  The only way I have managed to get any sort of networking to work in the past, is from the Vista laptop to the XP desktop.  The Vista machine can see the shared files on the XP machine, but not vice versa.  Still, that was manageable, and I don't use it a lot anyway.  I've got a feeling this is something to do with the router, as the browser address for it is 192.168.1.254, or you can simply type in Home, which is what it's saying is not accessible.  OTOH, both PCs appear in the router as online, so hell, I don't know. 

silly question but are both machines networked on home? Does the other machine had a shared directory? and are you sure about any software firewalls?

..but as you say the external disk might well be the quicker option, its what I would have done - but that's because I'm lazy!

Yes, both computers are named Home - should they be different?  Doesn't explain why I still can't get anywhere, and still get the error, even without the new PC connected.

Software firewalls?  Hmmm.... you might have a point, and I could try fiddling with it, or removing it temporarily.

The trouble is, I have about 64Gb of files on the old drive that I want to transfer, so it will take an age, but I guess this is going to be the only way to do it.

Of course, if I could use the IDE drive, I could just leave it installed, and not have to bother with the copying.
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Re: Thinking of a new build...
« Reply #131 on: April 23, 2008, 08:19 »
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Both XP, Sandra.  The only way I have managed to get any sort of networking to work in the past, is from the Vista laptop to the XP desktop.  The Vista machine can see the shared files on the XP machine, but not vice versa.  Still, that was manageable, and I don't use it a lot anyway.  I've got a feeling this is something to do with the router, as the browser address for it is 192.168.1.254, or you can simply type in Home, which is what it's saying is not accessible.  OTOH, both PCs appear in the router as online, so hell, I don't know.

but do they both has distinct IP addresses? is you router giving stating addresses or does it use DHCP?

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Yes, both computers are named Home - should they be different?

it shouldn't matter, but if the other one was called something else then of course you would be looking in the wrong place.

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Software firewalls?  Hmmm.... you might have a point, and I could try fiddling with it, or removing it temporarily.

maybe there is a "safe/demilitarized" zone, or whatever your firewall calls it. Essentially you will need to give the other machine access.

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Of course, if I could use the IDE drive, I could just leave it installed, and not have to bother with the copying.

but would you want to do that anyway?

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Re: Thinking of a new build...
« Reply #132 on: April 23, 2008, 09:49 »
but do they both has distinct IP addresses? is you router giving stating addresses or does it use DHCP?

Yes, the router assigns designated IPs for each device in the network.

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it shouldn't matter, but if the other one was called something else then of course you would be looking in the wrong place.

True.

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maybe there is a "safe/demilitarized" zone, or whatever your firewall calls it. Essentially you will need to give the other machine access.

There is a Trusted Network Adapter drop down menu in the software firewall, and the network cards are listed there on each PC, but if you select to allow it, it screams that you are compromising security, and that everything will be allowed through that network, so I haven't enabled it, but perhaps should try.

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but would you want to do that anyway?

Not ideally, but OTOH, why not?  If it's just sitting there, it's not doing any harm.
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Re: Thinking of a new build...
« Reply #133 on: April 23, 2008, 10:46 »
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There is a Trusted Network Adapter drop down menu in the software firewall, and the network cards are listed there on each PC, but if you select to allow it, it screams that you are compromising security, and that everything will be allowed through that network, so I haven't enabled it, but perhaps should try.

hmmm, that should be fine but don't quote me on that... I'm not sure how it is working but you would have though it was just allowing the machines to talk to each other and nothing else. I wonder if you can do it without the external connection to the router, i.e. no net. I bet it will see the other machine then though.

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Not ideally, but OTOH, why not?  If it's just sitting there, it's not doing any harm.

true - I was just thinking you would lose the old desktop then.... just thinking in case anything else goes wrong!
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Re: Thinking of a new build...
« Reply #134 on: April 23, 2008, 10:58 »
Simon.

When you go into "Network" on your working PC can you see your new pc?

If not then is the "workgroup name" and long number the same?

And i've often turned off DMZ just for a moment to eliminate the firewall side of things.


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