Hold on, I might have the new number now from one of the sites - the only trouble is they are saying that you still can't connect through DUN, that you have to use this new dialer.
So now I just need to find out how to delete that first number in the new dialer.......... I guess I'll have to just keep watching the threads.
Alot of people are sick of it and leaving NTL.
By the way thanks again dack for all your help, you keep sorting me out, don't you